Angband 4.2.2

[Nick]

Saving throw messages for single combat should be, "X scorns your challenge!"

Good idea

[Pete Mack]

Saving throw messages for single combat should be, "X scorns your challenge!"

[Bogatyr]

I guess my question is, what lesson are you learning from an unmappable level that doesn't let you teleport, and forces you to take one path to the next floor? "Refresh the level?"

My favorite part about Angband is firing off mapping and detection and planning my path through the level that lets me avoid nasty monsters, assassinate loot pinatas and pick up some treasure on the way down. A level that forces me through a single path that involves a gauntlet of nasty monters I would normally avoid feels like an unfun combination of boring and deadly. I mean, it's not a big deal, because while I don't play with WoR I *do* play with connected stairs and without forced descent, so I can just refresh the level if I find myself on one of these. But this still feels like it's trying to introduce challenge by taking away all the fun parts.

Now, if the gauntlet was a kind of greater vault that had a metric ton of loot at the end, but not the stairs, then I might be a bit more keen on the idea. Similarly if you had types of vaults that blocked ESP.

Basically, I'd rather be tempted with treasure than backed into a corner.

Bravo, all my thoughts exactly.

[bughunter]

When I was still able to play 4.2.?, I saved my _Banishment charges just for huorns.*

(And druj. Frak those guys.)

Made it a tough choice whether or not to use charges when I encountered a summoning unique and he started calling his buddies, cuz I knew there'd be a forest of huorns just around an upcoming corner...

(*soon... soon... almost saved enough for a new laptop)

[Egavactip]

Why do people keep posting 4.2.1 things in this 4.2.2 thread?

Some things that are in 4.2.1 are also in 4.2.2 and vice versa. That's not rocket science.

[Egavactip]

I guess my question is, what lesson are you learning from an unmappable level that doesn't let you teleport, and forces you to take one path to the next floor? "Refresh the level?"

yeah, I'm not sure I'd voluntarily play such a level.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Why do people keep posting 4.2.1 things in this 4.2.2 thread?

[Egavactip]

Mobs of Huorn are just tedious once you can defeat them easily. And they come in massive numbers.

I've been finding the number of huorns ridiculous in 4.2.1.

[Pete Mack]

Paladin class ability list shows "blessed fighter" with description "You get improved melée with blessed and hated weapons".
But the effect does not apply to my unblessed Quarterstaff of Death (3d9 (+29), slay everything, cold brand.)

[archolewa]

Come on lads, Angband is all about game knowledge and new surprises. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that. I've never actually seen one of these levels before but I think it would be quite exciting to face something new and strange. If my character dies, then I'll move on and try to learn a lesson.

I guess my question is, what lesson are you learning from an unmappable level that doesn't let you teleport, and forces you to take one path to the next floor? "Refresh the level?"

My favorite part about Angband is firing off mapping and detection and planning my path through the level that lets me avoid nasty monsters, assassinate loot pinatas and pick up some treasure on the way down. A level that forces me through a single path that involves a gauntlet of nasty monters I would normally avoid feels like an unfun combination of boring and deadly. I mean, it's not a big deal, because while I don't play with WoR I *do* play with connected stairs and without forced descent, so I can just refresh the level if I find myself on one of these. But this still feels like it's trying to introduce challenge by taking away all the fun parts.

Now, if the gauntlet was a kind of greater vault that had a metric ton of loot at the end, but not the stairs, then I might be a bit more keen on the idea. Similarly if you had types of vaults that blocked ESP.

Basically, I'd rather be tempted with treasure than backed into a corner.

[Pete Mack]

Weird pathfinding bug.

Zip files for repro attached. Just watch Khamul moving. I waited too long and got hungry.
Version 4.2.1
Edit: to see the bug, just rest a few turns.

[Selkie]

Come on lads, Angband is all about game knowledge and new surprises. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that. I've never actually seen one of these levels before but I think it would be quite exciting to face something new and strange. If my character dies, then I'll move on and try to learn a lesson.

[Pete Mack]

Yes, an orange warning on arrival (or restore) would be good. So would a status bar reminder "no tele".

[Sphara]

We already have the no tele curse flag. Perhaps could make it like you drank a potion of no tele? Maybe if you don't recognize the rune you don't know you can't tele until you try?

Yeah, that would be even better although I could live with just a message upon arrival. However, I think new players would appreciate a flag better, unless the message is something crystal clear like "YOU CANNOT USE TELEPORT ON THIS PARTICULAR LEVEL. GOT IT? GOOD!"



EDIT: Oh, and thanks to PowerWyrm for the answer.

[DavidMedley]

There should be a head-up message upon arrival on no-teleport level, imo. A huorn killed me in one of these levels. I could only phase and it kept commanding me back to it and beating my ass til I died. I didn't have TO so I was basically screwed.

Not that a heads up message would've helped, once the huorn was awake

Also a little question about these levels: are there reduced amount of loot or is all the loot on the right side? I've stumbled into one of these few times now, and detect treasure never seems to show anything.

We already have the no tele curse flag. Perhaps could make it like you drank a potion of no tele? Maybe if you don't recognize the rune you don't know you can't tele until you try?