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  • Jay
    Adept
    • Dec 2011
    • 104

    Here's an idea: Has there ever been a comp using Vanilla where the goal was to kill not only Morgoth but also every other unique? Might be an interesting wrinkle.
    Oh you icky things, don't you know you're driving your mamas and papas insane…

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    • Philip
      Knight
      • Jul 2009
      • 909

      Actually, yes. An NPP comp a while ago had the winner criteria based first on whether Morgy was killed, then on how many uniques were killed.

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      • fizzix
        Prophet
        • Aug 2009
        • 3025

        Originally posted by Jay
        Here's an idea: Has there ever been a comp using Vanilla where the goal was to kill not only Morgoth but also every other unique? Might be an interesting wrinkle.
        Hunting down all the uniques is painfully boring (i've done it once...and only once). That being said, I wouldn't mind comps with shorter or different goals, something like:

        Code:
        Reach clevel 30
        Ironman, reach dlevel 50
        Kill a unique deeper than level 40
        Get 100k gold (no selling)
        Get characters from all 6 classes to dlevel 15
        kill N of a certain monster type.  Like 5 black reavers, or 1000 orcs.

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        • LostTemplar
          Knight
          • Aug 2009
          • 670

          Kill 1000 orcs is a nice goal IMHO.

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          • debo
            Veteran
            • Oct 2011
            • 2402

            Originally posted by LostTemplar
            Kill 1000 orcs is a nice goal IMHO.
            And you're required to listen to this song while doing it:

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            Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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            • Jay
              Adept
              • Dec 2011
              • 104

              Originally posted by fizzix
              Hunting down all the uniques is painfully boring (i've done it once...and only once).
              I'm surprised by this -- the times that I've won, I've always made it a point to kill all the uniques because, well, they were there, and I also figured they'd have good drops. But I looked at my character for comp 119 and sure enough, not many of the items I use came from uniques. Do most people just avoid the tough uniques and *destruct* them when they get summoned at the final battle? No wonder I'm so slow by comparison!
              Oh you icky things, don't you know you're driving your mamas and papas insane…

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              • Derakon
                Prophet
                • Dec 2009
                • 9022

                Originally posted by Jay
                Do most people just avoid the tough uniques and *destruct* them when they get summoned at the final battle? No wonder I'm so slow by comparison!
                It's certainly what I do. There's too many "I'd rather Morgoth not summon this guy" uniques out there for it to be worth my time to actually prevent him from summoning them, so I just deal with it when he does.

                This doesn't necessarily work equally well in all variants. I believe that NPP assumes you're going to kill all the uniques before fighting Sauron. But NPP's spellcasting is considerably more intelligent than Vanilla's (to the point that when fighting enemy spellcasters with healing spells, you basically have to drain their entire mana pool before you can actually kill them).

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                • nppangband
                  NPPAngband Maintainer
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 926

                  Originally posted by Derakon

                  I believe that NPP assumes you're going to kill all the uniques before fighting Sauron.
                  It isn't quite assumed, but it does offer a distinct tactical advantage. With all uniques killed when Morgoth or Sauron cast "summon uniques" nothing appears, they are charged the mana and their turn is wasted. IIRC in older vanilla versions with all uniques killed greater undead are summoned instead, so it was preferable to allow several low-level uniques to live before the final battle.
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                  • Magnate
                    Angband Devteam member
                    • May 2007
                    • 5110

                    Originally posted by nppangband
                    It isn't quite assumed, but it does offer a distinct tactical advantage. With all uniques killed when Morgoth or Sauron cast "summon uniques" nothing appears, they are charged the mana and their turn is wasted. IIRC in older vanilla versions with all uniques killed greater undead are summoned instead, so it was preferable to allow several low-level uniques to live before the final battle.
                    That's still the case. I must say I rather like your alternative. Especially once we put in monster mana (any year now).
                    "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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                    • half
                      Knight
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 910

                      Originally posted by Magnate
                      Especially once we put in monster mana (any year now).
                      Just do what I did: fork from NPPAngband (one of the 2004 versions or later) instead of Vanilla, it already has the 4GAI built in!

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                      • Nick
                        Vanilla maintainer
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9637

                        So, next competition soon - any suggestions?

                        I'm thinking Sil - any other ideas or suggestions for a Sil comp?
                        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                        • debo
                          Veteran
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 2402

                          Might wanna check when next Sil version is due out... I think it's supposed to be fairly soon. I think it would be cool to have a comp to celebrate the new release.
                          Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9637

                            Originally posted by debo
                            Might wanna check when next Sil version is due out... I think it's supposed to be fairly soon. I think it would be cool to have a comp to celebrate the new release.
                            Yep, half has confirmed that. We will be spoilt for choice (Sil, Halls of Mist, Angband 3.4) soon, but I'm taking requests for this one.
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • debo
                              Veteran
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 2402

                              Originally posted by Nick
                              Yep, half has confirmed that. We will be spoilt for choice (Sil, Halls of Mist, Angband 3.4) soon, but I'm taking requests for this one.
                              I've always wanted to play QuickBand. Just sayin'
                              Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                              • Nick
                                Vanilla maintainer
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 9637

                                Originally posted by debo
                                I've always wanted to play QuickBand. Just sayin'
                                Sounds like a plan. Race/Class? Savefiles? Antoine? Bueller?
                                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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