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[PowerWyrm]

Should we spoil people or let them try to figure it out on their own? It's been ages, but IIRC there's at least one way to make arbitrary amounts of money at the start and to get to level 20 in a few minutes. (Sure, you'll die a few times trying it, but you only really need to succeed once to get a huge head start.)

Wasn't that involving killing hydras in the wild? Or making alchemist bombs from the skill and selling them for outrageous amounts of money? Anyway it would be stupid to play a comp where winning would rely on abusing game flaws. Better go for something more challenging... like a yeek sorceror for example

[HugoVirtuoso]

Another fun combo is the barehanded Spectre Troll Loremaster...possessing a GWoP....cheap, I know...but can reach clvl 50 quickly enough to make the compo fun.

For challenge purposes, a Maia Swordsmaster might be good...good stats but players have to be able to tough out the innate-aggravation.

[Derakon]

Anyway it would be stupid to play a comp where winning would rely on abusing game flaws.

It's ToME. I don't think that you can construct a build where abusing game flaws wouldn't be possible.

[HugoVirtuoso]

Don't like flaws, play Sil or even PosChengband (whose maintainer who is known for "balancing" whenever possible)

[debo]

This is the tentative plan for comp 158. Questions? Objections?

[HugoVirtuoso]

This is the tentative plan for comp 158. Questions? Objections?

Extra Sils in extra turns NOT making one a better compo winner? "Killing Morgoth counts for nothing." I'm not sure if many like those, but rules are rules.

I do approve having only VANILLA Sil 1.2.1 characters on the compo ladder.

[Derakon]

Extra Sils in extra turns NOT making one a better compo winner? "Killing Morgoth counts for nothing." I'm not sure if many like those, but rules are rules.

Doing otherwise would require you to come up with some kind of conversion factor of Sils (or killing Morgoth) to turns, which is going to be nigh-impossible to get right.

Tell you what: use extra Sils/Morgoth kills as a tiebreaker if two players have the same turncount.

[taptap]

This is the tentative plan for comp 158. Questions? Objections?

<3

Although it will likely turn out to be a singer speedrun contest.

[HugoVirtuoso]

Tell you what: use extra Sils/Morgoth kills as a tiebreaker if two players have the same turncount.

I second this. Debo to follow with comment.

[debo]

I second this. Debo to follow with comment.

In the event that two players win with the same turncount, I will leave you guys to figure out the tiebreaking scheme while I run off to buy several lottery tickets.

[debo]

<3

Although it will likely turn out to be a singer speedrun contest.

I, for one, am going to forge a horn of blasting at the earliest opportunity and blast downwards to 1000' as soon as elvishly possible. Eventually the RNG will net me a win!!

[Patashu]

I, for one, am going to forge a horn of blasting at the earliest opportunity and blast downwards to 1000' as soon as elvishly possible. Eventually the RNG will net me a win!!

I hear that's what the Sil TAS does

[soyaki]

This is the tentative plan for comp 158. Questions? Objections?

FWIW, this might be a chance to update the variant page here on oook to indicate latest info on Sil? (If I knew how would do it myself, etc.)

[Nick]

FWIW, this might be a chance to update the variant page here on oook to indicate latest info on Sil? (If I knew how would do it myself, etc.)

Happy now?

[soyaki]

Happy now?

I honestly was volunteering to help with it if I could, but thank you. The variants page is a pretty valuable resource!