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  • Psi
    Knight
    • Apr 2007
    • 870

    #91
    Originally posted by Arralen
    Weapon Smith (in Belegost) is fixed to 5000 gold
    Actually, I haven't been paying attention if the other shops may be "fixed" as well, but this one is the most annoying to me atm I'm pretty shure the shop owner has changed several times, but the cap for prices has stayed the same.
    The shop owners all have their own max price set in the edit files. You have just been unlucky if each one you have had has had the same 5k top price.
    Originally posted by Arralen

    !oSpeed is missing from the alchemy shops

    They're generally very scarce. I found 1 in the dungeon, and had 3 at the black market, but they seemingly never show up at the Alchemy Shop !
    The alchemy shop does not sell !Speed. You could always order them from the travelling merchants.
    Originally posted by Arralen
    Rings/Amulets of Searching/Skill/+stat+ are pretty useless,
    as by the time they show up aroud dlvl 30 you already have the first (rand)arts and you're looking to plug resistance holes rather than to get +2 searching or something. Either make them show up much earlier (dlvl 15+) or make them more interesting.
    IMHO, having one item "of something" seemingly just because we have some flag and it so terribly convenient to simply e.g. slab that flag on a ring to get a "magical item" doesn't really make for interesting finds. I would rather like to see more "complicated" egos, randarts and arts ... .
    =Searching is native to DL5, =Skill is native to DL25, =Stat is native to DL36. I'm somewhat concerned if you are finding (rand)art rings before that. I see no reason why skill and stat couldn't be a little shallower though.

    Certainly I rarely use the stat rings and never use searching, but =Skill is very useful. The Eregion rings may cover the "complicated" egos (they have speed, a power and one or more resists).

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    • buzzkill
      Prophet
      • May 2008
      • 2939

      #92
      Originally posted by Arralen
      Weapon Smith (in Belegost) is fixed to 5000 gold
      Actually, I haven't been paying attention if the other shops may be "fixed" as well, but this one is the most annoying to me atm I'm pretty sure the shop owner has changed several times, but the cap for prices has stayed the same.
      edit: Ok, went over to Khazad Dum and found the weapon smith having a cap of 5000 as well
      Maybe a 3.6 change, but it doesn't sound like something Nick would do. Probably the RNG or a bug. You can set recall points in other towns for expedited selling.


      !oSpeed is missing from the alchemy shops

      They're generally very scarce. I found 1 in the dungeon, and had 3 at the black market, but they seemingly never show up at the Alchemy Shop !
      I think the Black Market is the only place they naturally appear. I believe you'll find them most frequently on DL's 5-10 (based on experience, not spoilers). You can order them (once discovered) from the traveling merchant found in small towns.
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      My banding life on Buzzkill's ladder.

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      • Nick
        Vanilla maintainer
        • Apr 2007
        • 9634

        #93
        Originally posted by Psi
        The shop owners all have their own max price set in the edit files. You have just been unlucky if each one you have had has had the same 5k top price.
        There are two with a max of 5000, a Beorning (Bearclaw) and a Dwarf (Borin). It is reasonably likely for those two to be in charge in Khazad-Dum and Belegost; let us know if anything else happens.

        As for rings, as Psi says, Skill is great - very often useful (at least for a while) for anyone but mages and necros. Stat rings I frequently use when I can spare a ring slot - and I'd often rather have =CON for extra HP than resists.

        At least, often when I get to that depth. Currently I'm playing random characters,
        and am up to about 30, with only 2 of them (HE Ranger, HE Rogue) having reached Amon Rudh. Stupid game.
        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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        • Arralen
          Swordsman
          • May 2007
          • 309

          #94
          Shopkeepers
          I'll have an eye one them. Actually, now that I'm looking for their names, those 2 are in charge of those shops. But I could swear that the keeper in Belegost changes during the last 100 000 turns, and the cap stayed at 5000. Guess everything will work ok now, at least as long as I'm paying close attention :/

          !Speed
          Guess I'm confusing variants again ...

          (rand)arts
          No, I didn't get (rand)art rings at lvl30 or below. Sorry not to make myself more clear ... I meant I get ego and (rand)art weapon (and to a way lower extent armor) at this level already, and have trouble with resistance holes and free action etc., so I normally can't spare a slot for something "simple" as a ring that gives +2 on a stat or +9 on damage.
          Btw., I think maybe something should be done about "item distribution" in almost all *bands .. you always easily get a sword, an armor, a cloak, because there are so many of them, but getting a ring or boots is quite a bit rarer. Or maybe it's the distribution-over-depth that makes my chars die before they get together the full gear


          "Resistance to life draining" - how does it work?
          Got it from my Angband weapon, and the "C"haracter screen simply notes "Hlife +" .. does it mean this is supposed to work 100% like free action, see invisible etc.?
          Up to now, those "W" and "V" weren't able to drain me, but a skeletons serpents spit attack seemingly did 329 XP "damage" .. it's listed as 10d6+, so it looks like it did full damage ?!
          Last edited by Arralen; February 23, 2009, 07:31.
          No, I don't have a clue 'bout C, and I'm not starting my own variant.
          Never. Ever.

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9634

            #95
            Originally posted by Arralen
            "Resistance to life draining" - how does it work?
            Got it from my Angband weapon, and the "C"haracter screen simply notes "Hlife +" .. does it mean this is supposed to work 100% like free action, see invisible etc.?
            Up to now, those "W" and "V" weren't able to drain me, but a skeletons serpents spit attack seemingly did 329 XP "damage" .. it's listed as 10d6+, so it looks like it did full damage ?!
            The XP usually taken by skeleton serpents is 10d6 + 2% of player experience. If you have hold life, you get a 95% chance to save; if the save fails, you lose 10% of the usual amount. So for a more advanced character, the .2% is much more significant than the (10d6)/10.
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • PowerDiver
              Prophet
              • Mar 2008
              • 2820

              #96
              I decided to give the comp a try. Where can I find spoilers on what effects the various cure potions remove, what percentage resist is necessary to avoid side effects of breath weapons, what food items like "cake of beornings" do, etc?

              Also, the Ent has a '-' under intrinsic FF. Does that mean it takes one source of FF to break even and 2 would give FF effect? Or does that mean FF is always ignored?

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              • Psi
                Knight
                • Apr 2007
                • 870

                #97
                Originally posted by PowerDiver
                I decided to give the comp a try. Where can I find spoilers on what effects the various cure potions remove, what percentage resist is necessary to avoid side effects of breath weapons, what food items like "cake of beornings" do, etc?
                I'm not sure if such spoilers exist. I thought the potions were standard (apart from the new V percentage healing).

                You need 20% min for breath effects except poison which is 80% IIRC.

                Elvish bread and cakes of the Beornings heal a few HP other than that I really have no idea. Sprigs of Athelas heal the black breath.
                Originally posted by PowerDiver
                Also, the Ent has a '-' under intrinsic FF. Does that mean it takes one source of FF to break even and 2 would give FF effect? Or does that mean FF is always ignored?
                Ents can never get feather falling.

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                • PowerDiver
                  Prophet
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 2820

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Psi
                  I'm not sure if such spoilers exist. I thought the potions were standard (apart from the new V percentage healing).
                  Too bad. I cannot fully appreciate the game without spoilers. E.g. mushrooms of unhealth say "it can poison on contact". If I knew precisely what they do, they might be fun, but as it is they just go into the squelch list.

                  I am pretty sure that CCW does not neutralize poison in some variant[s], with a vague recollection that that might have been true in O or S. Also IIRC confusion reduction is not standard across all cure potions in variants.

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                  • PaulBlay
                    Knight
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 657

                    #99
                    Originally posted by PowerDiver
                    Too bad. I cannot fully appreciate the game without spoilers. E.g. mushrooms of unhealth say "it can poison on contact". If I knew precisely what they do, they might be fun, but as it is they just go into the squelch list.
                    Tried throwing them at monsters? (Not that I know what would happen
                    Currently turning (Angband) Japanese.

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                    • Nick
                      Vanilla maintainer
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9634

                      Originally posted by PowerDiver
                      I decided to give the comp a try. Where can I find spoilers on what effects the various cure potions remove, what percentage resist is necessary to avoid side effects of breath weapons, what food items like "cake of beornings" do, etc?
                      Alex Wilkins' O0.7.0 spoilers at http://www.oangband.com/spoilers.php are close.

                      Potions have changed very little (CCW heals a few more HP now; Death and Ruination have been nerfed a bit; !Strength will only get you as far as 18 internal, after that you need *Strength*). A few other items are shallower (notably wands of TAway, rods of Perception). Egos are vastly different, so check new types when you see them (ID fully identifies everything).

                      Happy to answer any more questions.
                      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                      • tigen
                        Apprentice
                        • May 2007
                        • 53

                        Originally posted by Nick
                        As buzzkill said, moving to a big town is the best plan. For the low/medium difficulty races, either Belegost or Khazad-Dum are the easiest to get to (Dwarves start in Belegost; any of the other low/medium races can get there without going over difficulty level 6).
                        ...
                        The other thing is that (unlike in Z and its children), you should think of the FA wilderness as an integrated part of the playing world, rather than on overworld that you have to go through to get to the dungeons.
                        But you do travel around the world to the different dungeons, right? Isn't that what you aim to do in the game? It says you get specialist abilities for defeating dungeon guardians. I was playing Adan Rangers. The nearest big town was Gondolin, which was quite difficult to get into (and I got kind of "stuck" there trying to get powerful enough to safely leave again). But going the other direction looked like a very long trek across wilderness that was decreasing in difficulty.

                        I just find it odd to be wandering through decreasing difficulty... doesn't that make traveling become boring? If it was scaled over time I thought it might make the early game feel more sane. Again, not just to make things easier, but to be more interesting. After all, even to be able to take a few steps out of my starting town meant shooting up quite a few levels. Also, the variety provided by the different wilderness types would be nice, except it's not worth exploring them when they're too low difficulty.

                        Having said all that, I found FA really quite interesting and will probably keep playing it once I return to Angband (I've become addicted to Stone Soup (Crawl) lately... which is refreshingly different in many ways. No town, persistent branching levels, religions, minimal scumming, fiendishly difficult...)

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                        • PowerDiver
                          Prophet
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 2820

                          Originally posted by Nick
                          Alex Wilkins' O0.7.0 spoilers at http://www.oangband.com/spoilers.php are close.
                          I found that one earlier googling, but did not see food or potions described. Am I missing something obvious?

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9634

                            Originally posted by PowerDiver
                            I found that one earlier googling, but did not see food or potions described. Am I missing something obvious?
                            *Sigh* No. There is nothing about potions there (although mushroom damage is covered in attack types).

                            Of the main ones (and neglecting HP), CLW cures blindness, CSW also confusion, CCW also stunning, reduces poison by more than half and reduces cuts by a lot, Heal heals cuts and reduces poison by a lot, *Heal* heals everything including Black Breath.
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • Nick
                              Vanilla maintainer
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9634

                              Originally posted by tigen
                              I just find it odd to be wandering through decreasing difficulty... doesn't that make traveling become boring?
                              That's what running is for You're right, there are times in FA where boring travel is required - but mostly you can get through it fairly quickly, and the recall point system is designed so you only need to do each bit once.

                              Also, the variety provided by the different wilderness types would be nice, except it's not worth exploring them when they're too low difficulty.
                              You will get a fair spread of types by the time you get to Angband. Also, the different races get quite different wilderness experiences, both in what they're suited to and what they end up having to go through - trying a few different races might be an idea.
                              One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                              In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                              • PowerDiver
                                Prophet
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 2820

                                Originally posted by Nick
                                *Sigh* No. There is nothing about potions there (although mushroom damage is covered in attack types).
                                Does anything about throwing skill come into damage a la [S] with throwing weapons? Are mushrooms well-balanced? Etc. I think that the same sort of throwing info you get from inspecting a throwing weapon [does avg D dam against monsters lacking resistance R] ought to be present when inspecting a throwing mushroom, and that you ought to be able to wield it into the quiver etc. Consider this a "feature request" if you like it, or an annoying inconsiderate complaint if you don't.

                                Personally, I read "does poison damage on contact" to mean I better not pick it up. Also, for consistency, IMO if a mild impact causes it to explode for damage, better not be carrying any when hit by a sound or shards breath!

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