V 3.5 now in feature freeze

[MattB]

First of all, a huge thank you for 3.5. My highest praise for it is that today I played a 3.4 game and found I couldn't go back - it's just not as good. So thanks once again to Takkaria (and everyone else who worked on it).

One quick question though...
Is there a reason why the ability to drop an item from within the 'i' or 'e' menus has been dropped? I find it very handy to look at an items abilities/damage using 'i' or 'e' and then instantly drop it by hitting 'd'. I know you can still 'k' it, but that's an extra keystroke (choosing between 'this particular item' or 'all whatevers') and besides, I might not want to squelch it, just drop it.
No biggie though.

[takkaria]

First of all, a huge thank you for 3.5. My highest praise for it is that today I played a 3.4 game and found I couldn't go back - it's just not as good. So thanks once again to Takkaria (and everyone else who worked on it).

I really can't take any credit for the gameplay changes in 3.5 so I feel a little uncomfortable being the only person named in your thanks! I feel I should point out that fizzix, bron, Nomad, d_m, and CunningGabe are (most of) the ones to blame

One quick question though...
Is there a reason why the ability to drop an item from within the 'i' or 'e' menus has been dropped? I find it very handy to look at an items abilities/damage using 'i' or 'e' and then instantly drop it by hitting 'd'. I know you can still 'k' it, but that's an extra keystroke (choosing between 'this particular item' or 'all whatevers') and besides, I might not want to squelch it, just drop it.
No biggie though.

Hm, that's a change since 3.4.1? Totally unintentional, bugs like this seem to creep in whenever that code is touched, it seems pretty fragile. I'll take a look.

[MattB]

I really can't take any credit for the gameplay changes in 3.5 so I feel a little uncomfortable being the only person named in your thanks! I feel I should point out that fizzix, bron, Nomad, d_m, and CunningGabe are (most of) the ones to blame

I thought it was better not to attempt a list in case I missed out one person (which I would have).
So, officially then, thank you very much fizzix, bron, Nomad, d_m and CunningGabe (and anyone else who contributed)!
A special mention to Nomad for all the fantastic rooms. They make the dungeon so much more interesting. Love it.
While I'm at it, I for one love the cavern and pacman levels, although I know not everyone does. The caverns are dangerous and call for srategically different play and the labyrinths are like a welcome, and fun, interlude from the usual dungeon play. I had one this afternoon which contained one solitary object. That object just happened to be the Phial which was number one on my wish list!

[Nomad]

So this will be the last update to room_template.txt unless I spot any problems during further playtesting.

And naturally I found one... This is just a tiny fix for a typo in one of the layouts that left it with no door on the inner room 25% of the time.

[donalde]

please get 3.5 out. I was playing dev version, something summoned (or I missed it on detecting) Jabberwock, which promptly crashed game. I was clearing GV, inside of which Sauron also was lurking. Back to start of clearing

[molybdenum]

please get 3.5 out. I was playing dev version, something summoned (or I missed it on detecting) Jabberwock, which promptly crashed game. I was clearing GV, inside of which Sauron also was lurking. Back to start of clearing

Did the jabberwock breathe chaos? If so, that bug should be fixed in the latest nightlies.

[takkaria]

please get 3.5 out. I was playing dev version, something summoned (or I missed it on detecting) Jabberwock, which promptly crashed game. I was clearing GV, inside of which Sauron also was lurking. Back to start of clearing

Was this using a recent nightly build or an old one?

[donalde]

Was this using a recent nightly build or an old one?

angband-v3.5-dev-443-gc244371 ... at least two weeks old. yeah, jabberwock breathed chaos. made error on post as I was pissed. but no permanent damage, I am on same map, as game was saved when I entered level 99. I have GV with Sauron to clear, also there is graveyard on level. I may teleport Sauron off and clear vault, to come back again on next time.

[MattB]

If you press [r] in your home, it says that there is no light to read by.
Has @'s obsession with slaying Morgoth led to him neglecting to pay his bills?

[MattB]

angband-v3.5-dev-443-gc244371 ... at least two weeks old. yeah, jabberwock breathed chaos. made error on post as I was pissed. but no permanent damage, I am on same map, as game was saved when I entered level 99. I have GV with Sauron to clear, also there is graveyard on level. I may teleport Sauron off and clear vault, to come back again on next time.

I've just had a chaos crash on 510-g1b93088, if that helps.
And yes, it was just at the end of clearing a GV!

[fizzix]

I've just had a chaos crash on 510-g1b93088, if that helps.
And yes, it was just at the end of clearing a GV!

Yeah that sucks. I've lost progress enough time (mostly due to my own trial changes that were broken) that I pretty much obsessively save. Save every time I find a good item, save every time I kill a unique or other tough enemy, etc.

[takkaria]

If you press [r] in your home, it says that there is no light to read by.
Has @'s obsession with slaying Morgoth led to him neglecting to pay his bills?

Pressing 'r' in the home does nothing for me.

[takkaria]

I've just had a chaos crash on 510-g1b93088, if that helps.
And yes, it was just at the end of clearing a GV!

OK, thanks. I've re-opened the relevant bug and we'll have to look into it again. All I can suggest is hitting ctrl-S fairly regularly... (Maybe we should add autosave to happen every x turns and not just on level change.)

[molybdenum]

I've just had a chaos crash on 510-g1b93088, if that helps.
And yes, it was just at the end of clearing a GV!

Can you describe what breathed chaos and what things were around you (like walls or objects or monsters)?

[MattB]

Can you describe what breathed chaos and what things were around you (like walls or objects or monsters)?

It was a chaos vortex and I was surrounded by vault. I can't think what else was in LoS, sorry.