Tweet
It was clear that Beorn was pretty hostile to strangers. Dude’s a bear; get into his space and you’re going to have a bad time of it.
-
I’m fine with Beorn being in the game.
It was clear that Beorn was pretty hostile to strangers. Dude’s a bear; get into his space and you’re going to have a bad time of it. -
Give a bear a break. He was ambushed by an entire party of dwarves out of the blue. Who wouldn't feel a little reticent about such an intrusion. In the end he played the perfect host and fought on the side of good in the battle of the five armies.
I think we should include Bill Ferny of Bree. There is more than half a hint that he was a half orc. He betrays the hobbits to either Isengard or Sauron. His powers would be like a shrieker mushroom, and also minor summoning.Comment
-
It’s increasingly clear that version 4.2.5 will need a new “allow_beorn” birth option.Comment
-
The recent versions removed most non-Tolkien monsters, giving Angband a more consistent setting, so it would feel out of place to me to include either of those too. Maybe a few versions ago they would have been fine, but not with how the game has evolved.
I like the Bill Ferny suggestion tho.--
Dive fast, die young, leave a high-CHA corpse.Comment
-
Beorn is a fun opponent, but I do agree the ones like Beruthiel or Denethor would be a better fit.Comment
-
I see --- I haven't played Angband in quite a while, alas!
I remember it as being very much Tolkien mashed up with the D&D Monstrous Manual and other Moria-descended things (Q's, i's, y's, w's). D&D is based on Vance's stories among other pulp fantasy, and the Erymanthian Boar seems no more out of place than Medusa the Gorgon and the various hydras (which are/were in V).
It also sounds like there's some major new content that's not Tolkienish (Blackguard?).
My suggestions were based on the idea that, in V, the Tolkien atmosphere has in the past been a framework around which a great many other materials are added. Also, a lot of the monsters that "feel right" have nostalgia on their side, but no Tolkien lineage (Kavlax, Boldor, Qlzqqlzuup, etc. etc.).
Sorry for going so far into the weeds over a very minor subtopic
Comment
-
Don't apologise. Going into the weeds over minor sub topics is half of what this forum is all aboutComment
-
All this assumes that @ is "good". I don't necessarily subscribe to that philosophy. @ slaughters townies and dungeon dwellers alike, both good and bad. Anyone or anything standing between @ and the Big Bosses is ripe for murder. In the end, I think @ just wants to become the newest, biggest, and baddest Dark Lord!
“We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are DeadComment
-
Nick, has something changed about lore.txt? Copying monster.txt and renaming no longer gives @ monster knowledge.“We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are DeadComment
-
Not really. It's fine if you want to be an evil warrior who wants to be the next Dark Lord. What's inconsistent is that Beorn would be hanging out with a bunch of Orcs and Ringwraiths and that, while he's there, his highest priority is slaying @.
You could add Faramir and Galadriel as monsters, and even if you justified it by saying "@ is allowed to be evil," that dungeon still wouldn't make any sense. Beorn is a more minor character and has a more reclusive lifestyle, but lore-wise he's squarely in the "good guy fights evil" category.
Obviously not all monsters make the same amount of sense, some are from other legendariums, some are goofy, and some are Middle-Earth monsters that weren't around when Angband was around. "Realism" isn't the only concern, but I think most of us would agree Faramir and Galadriel shouldn't be added as monsters, so I'm not sure why Beorn should get a pass, now that we're talking about him.Last edited by Djabanete; March 4, 2022, 20:36.Comment
-
I note that when I throw ('v') an iron shot, the damage is doubled. Feature or bug?Comment
Comment