[Announce] Poschengband 5.0.5 Released

**Regalia** · March 4, 2017, 12:36

Originally posted by GenericPseudonym

The Skillmaster's archery bonus seems like it's maybe too strong. They get the full +1.50 shots/round as soon as they've invested 5 points. For the actual Ranger and Archer classes, this firing speed bonus scales with clvl. In fact, a real Archer takes until CL38 to be better than a Skillmaster at the only thing his class does! (But by that point the Skillmaster has 7 more points worth of skills in addition to the archery.)

Early benefit is pretty high, true - but you've glossed over a few things.

Archer has more thb (82/36) rather than (70/30). Archer has a higher life rating of 111 (that's equivalent of 2.75 points spent on life). Built-in create ammo is another point. Finally, archer has built-in melee skill worth about 3 points (as far as thn goes anyway).

Edit: but to be fair, skillmaster gets some extra bonuses to hit which end up more than an archer gets I think. And to damage, which is pretty big.

But! Archer gets 0 breakage eventually. Which is not that big of a deal with create ammo at hand.

**GenericPseudonym** · March 4, 2017, 20:24

Originally posted by Regalia

Early benefit is pretty high, true - but you've glossed over a few things.

Archer has more thb (82/36) rather than (70/30). Archer has a higher life rating of 111 (that's equivalent of 2.75 points spent on life). Built-in create ammo is another point. Finally, archer has built-in melee skill worth about 3 points (as far as thn goes anyway).

Edit: but to be fair, skillmaster gets some extra bonuses to hit which end up more than an archer gets I think. And to damage, which is pretty big.

But! Archer gets 0 breakage eventually. Which is not that big of a deal with create ammo at hand.

Yeah it's kind of funny because Archer is the one class who really DOESN'T care about getting zero breakage. A bowmaster would be elated if his precious rare seeker ammo was unbreakable. An Archer has 500 spare arrows in his house and doesn't really care if he loses some.

Actually my current character is a skillmaster archer-clone with craft magic slapped on top. Even on classes without any special archery bonuses craft archery is amazing in the earlygame because of how well shooters scale with enchantment, but if you throw in +1.5 shots and a supply of seeker ammo it just gets ridiculous. Plus when I find book 4 I'll be able to cast crafting to add egos to all my seeker arrows, then combine with weaponmastery and manabranding for some truly absurd damage. (Oh yeah! Skillmasters with level 5 Craft can cast mana branding, which is unavailable for rangers, monks, mage-warriors, and other hybrid types. )

**chem** · March 5, 2017, 22:59

Did you know, after all this time, the following races/classes still do not have WINNERS on the poschengband ladder?

RACES:
amberite
beastman
doppelganger
dunadan
dwarf
gnome
half-giant
half-troll
kutar
skeleton
wood-elf
zombie

CLASSES:
blue-mage
duelist
force-trainer
imitator
rage-mage
red-mage
scout
sniper
warrior-mage
wild-talent
yellow-mage

So much that needs visiting by the community or tuning by chris!

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 6, 2017, 00:13

Originally posted by chem

Did you know, after all this time, the following races/classes still do not have WINNERS on the poschengband ladder?

RACES:
amberite
beastman
doppelganger
dunadan
dwarf
gnome
half-giant
half-troll
kutar
skeleton
wood-elf
zombie

CLASSES:
blue-mage
duelist
force-trainer
imitator
rage-mage
red-mage
scout
sniper
warrior-mage
wild-talent
yellow-mage

So much that needs visiting by the community or tuning by chris!

Turns out that some of these already had winners in Hengband or Entroband. However, some of them were part of chris's variant and could use a winner...the Rage-Mage comes to mind...

chem if you have more ideas, you should team up with chris!!

**MITZE** · March 6, 2017, 06:29

PosChengband Unwon Races & Classes

Whoa, I actually have a better version of the list:

Code:

Races
---------------------------------------------
Elf: Wood-Elf (94)
Monster: Centipede (68)
Monster: Dragon: Balance Drake (22)
Monster: Dragon: Black Dragon (34)
Monster: Dragon: Bronze Dragon (22)
-Monster: Dragon: Chaos Drake (9)
-Monster: Dragon: Crystal Drake (39)
Monster: Dragon: Ethereal Drake (93)
-Monster: Dragon: Gold Dragon (69)
Monster: Dragon: Green Dragon (75)
Monster: Dragon: Law Drake (24)
-Monster: Dragon: Shadow Drake (76)
-Monster: Dragon: Realm: Death (76)
-Monster: Dragon: Realm: Domination (34)
-Monster: Elemental: Water Elemental (63)
Monster: Giant: Fire Giant (68)
Monster: Giant: Storm Giant (47)
-Monster: Giant: Titan (14)
Monster: Golem: Sky Golem (52?)
Monster: Spider: Phase Spider (86)
Monster: Troll: Storm Troll (35?)
-Other: Doppleganger (67)
 Classes
---------------------------------------------
Devices: Devicemaster: Speciality: Potions (95)
-Devices: Devicemaster: Speciality: Rods (85)
-Devices: Devicemaster: Speciality: Scrolls (33)
-Devices: Devicemaster: Speciality: Staves
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Arioch (95)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Balaan (99)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Balo (99)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Eequor (73)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Khaine (40)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Khorne
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Mabelode (13)
-Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Narjhan (41)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Nurgle (35)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Pyaray (22, 24?)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Slortar (24)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Tzeentch (43)
Hybrid: Chaos-Warrior: Patron: Xiombarg
-Hybrid: Paladin: Realm: Death (85)
Hybrid: Ranger: Realm: Arcane
Hybrid: Ranger: Realm: Daemon (22, 60?)
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Armageddon (35)
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Chaos
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Crusade
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Daemon (18?)
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Life
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Nature
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Sorcery
Hybrid: Warrior-Mage: Realm: Trump
Magic: Blood-Mage: Realm:
Magic: High-Mage: Realm: Arcane (94)
-Magic: High-Mage: Realm: Hex (95)
Magic: High-Mage: Realm: Trump (61)
Magic: Mage: Realm:
Melee: Weaponmaster: Speciality: Bows (35)
Martial Arts: Force-Trainer: Realm: Craft (99)
Martial Arts: Force-Trainer: Realm: Death
-Martial Arts: Monk: Realm: Death (62)
Martial Arts: Monk: Realm: Trump (35)
-Martial Arts: Mystic (75)
Mind: Warlock: Pact: Aberrations (54)
Mind: Warlock: Pact: Angel (60)
-Mind: Warlock: Pact: Demon (62)
-Other: Imitator (87, 88?)
-Other: Rage-Mage (60)
Prayer: Realm:
Stealth: Rogue: Realm: Arcane (99)
Stealth: Rogue: Realm: Trump (45, 62?)

I had actually meant to post this list when I joined; it's mostly complete and somewhat outdated. I checked chardumps for Heng, Entro, Cheng, and PosChengband when making it.

EDIT: The numbers, by the way, are the DLs of the deepest unique killed.

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 10, 2017, 04:40

You know what's missing from the Skillmaster's selection?

1. Hex Magic
2. Rage-Mage technique

Hey Chris, add these for the Skillmaster in the next release!!!

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 11, 2017, 07:26

I saw this bug when using Dragon Scale Mail breath activation:

http://angband.oook.cz/screen-show.php?id=4156

**Regalia** · March 11, 2017, 14:02

Originally posted by HugoTheGreat2011

You know what's missing from the Skillmaster's selection?

1. Hex Magic
2. Rage-Mage technique

Hey Chris, add these for the Skillmaster in the next release!!!

Whoa there... those two things on something that can specialize in melee?

But then again, there's already craft and archers, as kindly pointed out by GenericPseudonym.

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 11, 2017, 14:36

Originally posted by Regalia

Whoa there... those two things on something that can specialize in melee?

Surely, why not? So my Tonberry Skillmasters can do 1,000 damage a pop within hours from GAME START!

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 11, 2017, 14:40

I forgot this:
Besides the Hex realm and Rage-Mage specifics,....Skillmasters have no access to the Burglary realm either... If Skillmasters are "design-your-own-class"....then why not?

**MITZE** · March 11, 2017, 16:50

Yes they do!

Originally posted by HugoTheGreat2011

I forgot this:
Besides the Hex realm and Rage-Mage specifics,....Skillmasters have no access to the Burglary realm either... If Skillmasters are "design-your-own-class"....then why not?

Yes they do, Hugo! It's under techniques, not magic!

**clouded** · March 13, 2017, 01:06

Staves of genocide are making things too easy at the end, as much as it's convenient to be able to remove Z from all levels.

**HugoVirtuoso** · March 13, 2017, 05:08

Originally posted by clouded

Staves of genocide are making things too easy at the end, as much as it's convenient to be able to remove Z from all levels.

Perhaps, its device difficulty should be increased.

**Regalia** · March 13, 2017, 20:03

Originally posted by HugoTheGreat2011

Perhaps, its device difficulty should be increased.

Here are my solutions with differing levels of bile wyrms in them:
1. Nerf staves of genocide.
2. Nerf devices of genocide.
3. Remove staves of genocide.
4. Remove devices of genocide.
5. Remove staves.
6. Remove devices.

Take your pick.

I suggest 6 so that all characters can all feel what berserkers feel all the time.

Coincidentally, this is the solution with the most bile wyrms in it. Bile wyrms are my favorite.

**MITZE** · March 13, 2017, 20:08

???

Originally posted by Regalia

I suggest 6 so that all characters can all feel what berserkers feel all the time.

Coincidentally, this is the solution with the most bile wyrms in it. Bile wyrms are my favorite.

I thought that acid didn't affect wands and rods, though?

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