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  • spara
    Adept
    • Nov 2014
    • 235

    #46
    Originally posted by spara
    Interesting. My Rod of Curing seems just fine. Maybe it's not about the rod, but something else.

    Here's my save, if it's of some use: [ATTACH]1852[/ATTACH]
    Aaand now the rod suddenly shows description.

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    • Nick
      Vanilla maintainer
      • Apr 2007
      • 9638

      #47
      You have to have used a rod and observed the effect before the description gives the effect.
      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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      • moosferatu
        Apprentice
        • Feb 2020
        • 99

        #48
        This axe says it drains experience. Is that not a curse?
        Attached Files

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        • Nick
          Vanilla maintainer
          • Apr 2007
          • 9638

          #49
          Originally posted by moosferatu
          This axe says it drains experience. Is that not a curse?
          No. It is a property which is sometimes conferred by a curse, but not in this case.
          One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
          In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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          • spara
            Adept
            • Nov 2014
            • 235

            #50
            Originally posted by Nick
            You have to have used a rod and observed the effect before the description gives the effect.
            As you can see, the rod has already been used and identified as the Rod of Illumination. I had used the rod to illuminate a dark room with monsters. What more is needed?

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            • Sky
              Veteran
              • Oct 2016
              • 2321

              #51
              Originally posted by moosferatu
              This axe says it drains experience. Is that not a curse?
              that's an axe of morgul. Throw it out.
              "i can take this dracolich"

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              • Nick
                Vanilla maintainer
                • Apr 2007
                • 9638

                #52
                Originally posted by spara
                As you can see, the rod has already been used and identified as the Rod of Illumination. I had used the rod to illuminate a dark room with monsters. What more is needed?
                Hm. I'll look at the save file.
                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                • Nick
                  Vanilla maintainer
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9638

                  #53
                  Originally posted by spara
                  As you can see, the rod has already been used and identified as the Rod of Illumination. I had used the rod to illuminate a dark room with monsters. What more is needed?
                  OK, this looks like a bug. It has not become properly identified, but it's impossible to tell from the savefile how that happened. What's your character's history with the rod?
                  One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                  In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                  • spara
                    Adept
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 235

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Nick
                    OK, this looks like a bug. It has not become properly identified, but it's impossible to tell from the savefile how that happened. What's your character's history with the rod?
                    I'm fairly sure it was originally identified in a room without monsters. After that the name was revealed, but nothing more. After a couple of dlevels I checked and it had the description. No idea what triggered it. I tried in vain to find a way to make the description appear from the save I posted.

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                    • Ingwe Ingweron
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 2129

                      #55
                      Originally posted by spara
                      I'm fairly sure it was originally identified in a room without monsters. After that the name was revealed, but nothing more. After a couple of dlevels I checked and it had the description. No idea what triggered it. I tried in vain to find a way to make the description appear from the save I posted.
                      I vaguely recall a recent issue several nightlies ago, when the description only updated when @ left the level. Does that ring any bells? Though, I might be confusing that with the missing monster lore, I can't remember.
                      “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                      ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                      • Nick
                        Vanilla maintainer
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9638

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                        I vaguely recall a recent issue several nightlies ago, when the description only updated when @ left the level. Does that ring any bells? Though, I might be confusing that with the missing monster lore, I can't remember.
                        I have the same vague memory. I tried that with spara's savefile to no effect.

                        The way it's meant to work is that there's an actual copy and a player copy of the object, and info gets copied from one to the other when it is learned. There are several things that can trigger this, but it looks like none of those happened for the rod's effect in this case. So now I have to work out how it slipped through.
                        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                        • backwardsEric
                          Knight
                          • Aug 2019
                          • 527

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                          I vaguely recall a recent issue several nightlies ago, when the description only updated when @ left the level. Does that ring any bells?
                          There was a change to avoid problems when reading a rune of protection scroll from the floor. As a direct result of that or the subsequent fixes to clean up extra messages from that change, a problem with propagating knowledge about single-use items was introduced which Nick fixed. All those changes were in a routine that's called for all item use. So, they could be related to this bug about not learning the properties of a rod after using it.

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                          • spara
                            Adept
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 235

                            #58
                            Originally posted by backwardsEric
                            There was a change to avoid problems when reading a rune of protection scroll from the floor. As a direct result of that or the subsequent fixes to clean up extra messages from that change, a problem with propagating knowledge about single-use items was introduced which Nick fixed. All those changes were in a routine that's called for all item use. So, they could be related to this bug about not learning the properties of a rod after using it.
                            Now that you bring it up. It's totally possible that I used the rod first time from the floor. Can't really remember

                            Edit: Confirmed from the message recall from the save. The rod was identified from the ground, since @ had a full backpack.
                            Last edited by spara; June 14, 2020, 15:13.

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                            • moosferatu
                              Apprentice
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 99

                              #59
                              I picked up a staff of speed with 6 charges. It was the only one I had in my inventory. Then I accidentally stepped on a staff of speed with 0 charges that I'd previously discarded. I immediately attempted to discard it again only to discover to my dismay that now I had 2 staves each with 3 charges.

                              I'm guessing this behaviour is not a bug, but it sure is annoying...

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                              • DavidMedley
                                Veteran
                                • Oct 2019
                                • 1004

                                #60
                                Originally posted by moosferatu
                                I picked up a staff of speed with 6 charges. It was the only one I had in my inventory. Then I accidentally stepped on a staff of speed with 0 charges that I'd previously discarded. I immediately attempted to discard it again only to discover to my dismay that now I had 2 staves each with 3 charges.

                                I'm guessing this behaviour is not a bug, but it sure is annoying...
                                There is a user interface option to prevent this.
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