Angband 4.2.1

[Eric]

I had that trigger recently while in Pukelman form, I was surprised it got through ImPois, but this makes sense... One could imagine all sorts of organic poisons being highly acidic (or basic!).

[DavidMedley]

Cool shapechange knowledge menu, but it throws off what I thought were carefully chosen mnemonics:
boo*K* seller
a*L*chemist
*M*agic Shop
h*O*me

etc

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Nick, here's a bug for you. This is in the 4.2.1 nightlies on angband.live. @ ascended some stairs from DL3 to DL2 and finds himself in a 2 by 1 room, with the stairs and no doors. Either this is a bug, or it is the tiniest level I've ever seen.

[Nick]

Nick, here's a bug for you. This is in the 4.2.1 nightlies on angband.live. @ ascended some stairs from DL3 to DL2 and finds himself in a 2 by 1 room, with the stairs and no doors. Either this is a bug, or it is the tiniest level I've ever seen.

If you have a savefile at that moment, that would be handy.

[PowerWyrm]

Got a game crash after finding some randart boots. Happened that those were cursed and had -1 to movement speed. I guess the game doesn't like division by zero when calculating energy to spend...

[PowerWyrm]

Also looking at the code for cursed shooters it seems that MIGHT cannot go negative while SHOTS can. I don't see why... Getting a long bow with -1 might (x2 instead of x3) seems perfectly fine as long as might stays above or equal to 1.

[bughunter]

I guess the game doesn't like division by zero when calculating energy

That would cause quite a crash in the real world, too...

[tangar]

Got a game crash after finding some randart boots. Happened that those were cursed and had -1 to movement speed. I guess the game doesn't like division by zero when calculating energy to spend...

Nick, I wonder maybe there is exist the way to allow negative value for MOVES somehow? Cause it really good value for race balancing and in general diversity of the gameplay https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband/issues/263

If not in V, than maybe you could give a hint how to implement it via some hack?

[Ingwe Ingweron]

If you have a savefile at that moment, that would be handy.

It was on Angband.live, nightlies, so no, I don't have a savefile. But, I also haven't moved back down the stairs, so you or Gwarl should be able to pull it.

[Nick]

Got a game crash after finding some randart boots. Happened that those were cursed and had -1 to movement speed. I guess the game doesn't like division by zero when calculating energy to spend...

OK, filed as a bug, I'll think about sensible ways of making it negative.

[Ged]

Hey! Thanks! I'm really enjoying 4.2.1....

I took a long hiatus from the game (RL got really complicated for about 3 years) and decided to get back into the game about a week ago...and it's been a blast and a joy relearning one of my favorite games.

Thank you so much.

(I used to play the nightlies and help with debugging—I used to be StMicah on the forums, but couldn't remember logins/former emails. I plan to start playing the nightlies versions after my first win.)

[backwardsEric]

OK, filed as a bug, I'll think about sensible ways of making it negative.

move_energy * (1 + abs(num_moves - 1) - (num_moves - 1)) / (1 + abs(num_moves - 1))

would reproduce the same values for positive values of num_moves and wouldn't blow up for num_moves <= 0. With more negative move speed modifiers, the energy per move would approach 2 * move_energy with that expression. Is that enough of a range to be interesting?

Dropping the "1 +" when calculating state->num_moves from the extra move speed in player-calcs.c would simplify the above expression to

move_energy * (1 + abs(num_moves) - num_moves) / (1 + abs(num_moves))

[PowerWyrm]

move_energy * (1 + abs(num_moves - 1) - (num_moves - 1)) / (1 + abs(num_moves - 1))

would reproduce the same values for positive values of num_moves and wouldn't blow up for num_moves <= 0. With more negative move speed modifiers, the energy per move would approach 2 * move_energy with that expression. Is that enough of a range to be interesting?

Dropping the "1 +" when calculating state->num_moves from the extra move speed in player-calcs.c would simplify the above expression to

move_energy * (1 + abs(num_moves) - num_moves) / (1 + abs(num_moves))

I don't know if this would work, I remember "energy" being capped at "move_energy" somewhere (if you set a value that is greater than the value, so a negative value would have no impact, but of course I could be wrong.

[backwardsEric]

I don't know if this would work, I remember "energy" being capped at "move_energy" somewhere (if you set a value that is greater than the value, so a negative value would have no impact, but of course I could be wrong.

There are caps like that on the energy use in cmd-pickup.c. I don't understand the logic there. I had expected it would increment the energy use for the auto-pickups, but it overwrites what was calculated when making the move.

[PowerWyrm]

Equipping dagger of slay animal with ring of mouse says "average damage: , and 0 vs others" (throwing message is correct).