Furthest I've gotten

**debo** · March 31, 2013, 18:38

Other people will give you more specific and exhaustive advice, but some glaring things:

a) You don't need 35 base speed. 30 is more than enough, 20 is great if you have a reliable method of haste to get you up to 30 (potions, rods, etc)

b) I'm not sure how you're surviving with no rPois -- there are some big poison breathers that I'm pretty sure could do at least 600 unresisted damage.

c) Get more CON. CON has greatly increasing returns for each point closer that you get to 18/***, and more HP = more of a cushion against the unknown, which is very helpful on a first play all the way through.

An obvious thing to do would be looking at your equipment to see how you could remove some emphasis on speed and put more emphasis on CON, IMO (e.g. switching one of your speed rings for Barahir -- you get rpois this way too)

While I'm here -- I personally think Dwarf Priest is a terrible choice for a first winner because it's so damn boring (which leads to autopilot play), but if it's working for you, keep going with it

It is a very hard-to-kill character, that's for sure.

Edit: Oh yeah, my next biggest item on the wish-list for this character would be ESP. Super helpful in picking your fights / paths in the late game when you still don't know what all the monsters do yet.

**fph** · March 31, 2013, 19:19

Another important thing is: have a 0%-failure-rate way to escape from fights. Or, even better, many of them. As a priest, you should aim for 18/200 WIS, which would make the failure rate of your spells drop to 0%. Moreover, carry ?deep descent, ?teleport level, ?destruction, ?teleport (good only for the early game, after a while the probability of landing in a room full of time hounds is too large).

1% is not enough. In an average game, you don't want to find yourself 50 times in a 1%-probability-to-die situation.

Staves, rods and wands can fail and should not be trusted in a matter of life or death, but they are still useful to keep around (_destruction, -teleport other, /teleport other). Morgoth drains charges from staves, so they are useless in the big fight (unless you attack it from a distance and manage to never get hit). You should keep them in your inventory and use them now.

**Oramin** · March 31, 2013, 19:19

RoS +9 -> Ro CON +6

654 HP -> 1054 HP

Or thereabouts.

Debo has it right. +35 is nice but most monsters don't go above +20; you want to be non-one-shot-able (new word).

Also, Telepathy = good. Poison Resistance = good.

No Disenchantment Resistance = annoying + 500 damage from Tarrasque if it breathes on you.

Finally, Thalkettoth is handy for the early game. Not so much for the late game.

Edit:

typo

Edit2:

Just so you know, permanent forms of resistance don't stack. In other words, you only need one permanent source for any given resistance. Temporary sources (such as spells) *do* stack with permanent sources.

**Oramin** · April 1, 2013, 00:35

And one more thing, you're only getting 2.8 attacks/rd from that Mace of Disruption. Stick that in your home until you have higher STR/DEX and use something like Sting enchanted up to (+15, +15).

That's if you have it, of course. Use 'I' to look at your weapon choices and find the one that does the best damage/rd in conjunction with the slays (and other abilities) that you want. Looking at your options, try enchanting Nimloth back up to (+15, +15) and see how that works out.

**Philip** · April 1, 2013, 13:36

Honestly, I suggest the Gondolin quarterstaff just for ESP. Since you're playing a priest, doing damage with spells isn't impossible and ESP is excellent even with perfect detection. Oh and while having a swap for poison resist is good, I'd swap elessar in instead of evenstar. 2 speed and poison resist is probably better than nether resist, hold life and regen, because as a priest, you should have restoration, healing and the damage cap on poison is 800, while nether doesn't reduce damage reliably and the damage cap is 550.

**Oramin** · April 1, 2013, 16:56

Originally posted by Philip

Honestly, I suggest the Gondolin quarterstaff just for ESP. Since you're playing a priest, doing damage with spells isn't impossible and ESP is excellent even with perfect detection. Oh and while having a swap for poison resist is good, I'd swap elessar in instead of evenstar. 2 speed and poison resist is probably better than nether resist, hold life and regen, because as a priest, you should have restoration, healing and the damage cap on poison is 800, while nether doesn't reduce damage reliably and the damage cap is 550.

Good suggestion. With a couple of my chars I used Theoden for Telepathy but carried around a swap weapon for when I knew I was going into combat and wanted to deal more damage.

**Raajaton** · April 1, 2013, 19:59

Thanks everybody for the suggestions!

I actually hadn't realized at the time of posting that I had just recently swapped out my only rpois item! I definitely was wearing it before, and still had a few items to swap in for it, so I'm glad you guys caught it for me before I got myself in too much trouble.

Yeah, I was keeping that quarterstaff in my inventory with me to swap in for ESP for just that reason. Just last night I picked up some Scythe that did fairly decent damage and had ESP as well, so I'll probably start using that as my main weapon for the time being. I was using that Mace of Disruption because, even though I was only getting I think 2.8 swings, it was still dealing more damage than the other weapons I have. I haven't been taking advantage of enchanting however. Is there a limit to how much you can enchant with priest spells? It may be a good idea to spend some trying to enchant up my lighter weapons if so.

I definitely have been on the hunt for equipment with more Con on it. I did swap brahir in for one of my rings of speed, which helps a little bit for now. I've been travelling a lot the last few days, but tonight when I get home I intend to sit down and play for a while again. Hopefully she makes it through the night!

**Derakon** · April 1, 2013, 20:13

The absolute limit on enchanting is +15; it's impossible to go higher. Depending on your patience, +10 or +12 may prove a more practical limit; the odds of successful enchantments reduce sharply as the plus on the weapon increases. The odds of any given enchant attempt going from +14 to +15 are only .1% (note that *Enchant Weapon* scrolls simply make multiple attempts).

**Raajaton** · April 1, 2013, 20:17

Ok, thanks.

The priest spell will only enchant to-dam correct? You can see in my Home that my Nimloth got owned by curse weapon. I would need to accrue a ton of to-hit scrolls in order to bring that back up to snuff?

**Derakon** · April 1, 2013, 20:45

Originally posted by Raajaton

Ok, thanks.

The priest spell will only enchant to-dam correct? You can see in my Home that my Nimloth got owned by curse weapon. I would need to accrue a ton of to-hit scrolls in order to bring that back up to snuff?

Uh, I don't recall exactly what the priest spell does, but I suspect it randomly does either to-hit or to-dam. In any case, any attempt to enchant a weapon, even if that attempt is doomed to failure, has a chance of breaking the curse on it. You could have a cursed (+20, +20) weapon and still break its curse using enchantment scrolls/spells.

**Raajaton** · April 1, 2013, 20:48

Ah ha, so the enchant attempts will be attempting to return the item to it's former glory, rather than having to re-enchant each of those points of to-dam and to-hit individually? Good to know. I was very disheartened when that happened, as at the time it was my only useful item. I kept it around just in case there was a solution, but had until now forgotten about it.

**Derakon** · April 1, 2013, 21:03

Originally posted by Raajaton

Ah ha, so the enchant attempts will be attempting to return the item to it's former glory, rather than having to re-enchant each of those points of to-dam and to-hit individually? Good to know. I was very disheartened when that happened, as at the time it was my only useful item. I kept it around just in case there was a solution, but had until now forgotten about it.

Alas no, the game has no memory of the item's maximum enchantment, so you're still stuck at +15 at best. But even if you can't make the item more powerful, you can remove the curse.

**Oramin** · April 1, 2013, 21:26

The Enchant Weapon for both Priest and Mage spells has multiple attempts to bump up both To Hit and Damage (although, IIRC, the specifics vary; e.g. the number of attempts per casting). It typically takes me less than 10 minutes of hanging out on DLVL 1 constantly casting the spell and resting to regain mana to get things up to (+15, +15).

**Raajaton** · April 1, 2013, 21:33

Originally posted by Oramin

The Enchant Weapon for both Priest and Mage spells has multiple attempts to bump up both To Hit and Damage (although, IIRC, the specifics vary; e.g. the number of attempts per casting). It typically takes me less than 10 minutes of hanging out on DLVL 1 constantly casting the spell and resting to regain mana to get things up to (+15, +15).

Is there a benefit to doing the enchanting in the dungeon rather than doing it in town?

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