Angband (or variant) Feature Suggestion Poll/Feedback thread

[Big Al]

The autoroller (not the standard roller) is slated for removal (from what I remember of recent discussion in the developers' mailing list). I haven't checked the code for the standard roller but the stuff I've read on the web suggests it currently isn't guaranteed to produce stats that you could get from points-based.

Anyway, was that a 'for' or a 'don't care' vote?

That was an, "if I'm understanding your statement correctly, FOR".

I would like to know more about that - do you know where/when it's been discussed?

See http://trac.rephial.org/ticket/11

EDIT:
F023 "add gold/object sales code from eddieband"
Yes

F024 "add ID-by-trial system from eddieband"
Yes

F025 "add some of the ego lanterns from NPP"
Sure

F026 "make (ego) shot slightly more common deep in the dungeon"
meh - I rarely get deep enough to have an opinion on this.

[PowerDiver]

EDIT:
F023 "add gold/object sales code from eddieband"
Yes

F024 "add ID-by-trial system from eddieband"

IMO if you make the gold and selling changes, you need to make thieves drop stolen gold or they may be too painful. That should be addressed in any discussion of F023.

As to F024, I don't think my learning code was distributed widely at all. Are you just talking about noticing +3 con on an item, or does that refer to learning from any attack [such as a fire breath] for all wielded items whether they do or do not provide resistance to the attack [ignore, resist, or immunity to fire]?

[Rizwan]

x y and z

I know I may get shot down on this one real quick but could x,y, and z be included in the equipment list so that we have all 26 alphabets? They have been ostracized long enough I think Would it be too unbalancing and/or cumbersome to code? I think the only reason for not including them is that historically that was the only number of options that could fit in the screen? Am I right?

[PaulBlay]

I know I may get shot down on this one real quick but could x,y, and z be included in the equipment list so that we have all 26 alphabets? They have been ostracized long enough I think Would it be too unbalancing and/or cumbersome to code? I think the only reason for not including them is that historically that was the only number of options that could fit in the screen? Am I right?

I guess you mean "inventory" not "equipment list". I have added your suggestion to the first post.

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F027 +1 "Add x,y and z to inventory list"

Could x,y, and z be included in the equipment list so that we have all 26 alphabets? I think the only reason for not including them is that historically that was the only number of options that could fit in the screen.
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[Big Al]

There are still loads of people who use 80x24 screens. It's not "historic". Besides, if it ain't broke, don't fix it: Angband is an inventory management game, why change it?

[PaulBlay]

There are still loads of people who use 80x24 screens.

From a practical point inventory of above 'w' would just result in a --more-- where the w line was and [space] switched display. Exactly as seen in shop inventories (probably the same code could be adapted).

Three extra letters wouldn't 'break' anything, how much it would be 'bent out of shape' would be a matter for gameplay testing and such.

[Rizwan]

I guess you mean "inventory" not "equipment list". I have added your suggestion to the first post.

Sorry my bad. Yes that is exactly what I meant.

There are still loads of people who use 80x24 screens. It's not "historic". Besides, if it ain't broke, don't fix it: Angband is an inventory management game, why change it?

You may be correct but the number of such people is getting smaller by the day. Hey we could have a poll on screen size

[PaulBlay]

IMO if you make the gold and selling changes, you need to make thieves drop stolen gold or they may be too painful. That should be addressed in any discussion of F023.

I've added that as F028. Please consider voting on other suggestions.

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F028 +1 "Thieves should drop stolen gold when killed."

See also F023. If you make the gold and selling changes, you need to make thieves drop stolen gold or they may be too painful. That should be addressed in any discussion of F023.
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[Pete Mack]

@paul: just a general FYI: PowerDiver is Eddie's nickname. (He goes by Eddie [Grove] everywhere else, like rgra, and in his .sig)

[Big Al]

[SIZE=2]You may be correct but the number of such people is getting smaller by the day. Hey we could have a poll on screen size

So why make things harder for them? My point is - would this change improve the game? I've seen no arguments for it yet.

IMO if you make the gold and selling changes, you need to make thieves drop stolen gold or they may be too painful. That should be addressed in any discussion of F023.

Patch submitted on trac.

[PaulBlay]

Patch submitted on trac.

Yes, in Ticket #29 I see. Thanks. (I haven't tried it yet, though )

I suspect the reason it hasn't been implemented has more to do with its controversy than its difficulty. If it gets lots of votes here maybe that will change.

[PowerDiver]

F010 +3 "merge prayers dTraps & dStairs" Discuss

IMO mage and priest books should be merged, so that would be a side effect. I understand that this is radical and has never been discussed, but at least in V it is clear to me that it would improve the game.

F013 +3 "improve mage sleep/confusion/slow/polymorph/wonder spells" Dicuss

They are mostly useless, so should perhaps be removed. Sometimes less is more. This might be particularly relevant depending upon how mage and priest books are merged in my alternate universe.

F012 +1 "Macro command 'pause and accept direction/target'" Discuss

What is really needed is "abort macro on spell casting or item activation failure".

F023 +1 "add gold/object sales code from eddieband"
F024 +1 "add ID-by-trial system from eddieband"

Clearly I am in favor, even if I don't know exactly what the proposals mean.

F028 +1 "Thieves should drop stolen gold when killed."

I am in favor, but not strongly enough to use one of 3 votes.

F019 -1 "Naturally increasing stats, no stat potions"

That's a huge change. Any discussion needs a thread unto itself. That's also true for some others. This all-at-once is a bad way to discuss these multiple changes IMO.

F001 -2 "Remove charisma." Discuss

I cast as many of my positive votes as I am allowed to get rid of charisma. Please ignore any votes I made above to use them all here.

F006 -2 "Store pre-order system" Discuss

Only in a changed game where gold is much rarer. Actually, IMO everything that is saleable should be on sale all the time, even though that approach would weaken stores enormously [no ego items etc].

F003 N/A "Combine points-based with standard roller" Discuss.

The standard roller is only useful as a challenge option for masochists. They can pick their stats on their own.

F014 N/A "monsters waking up shouldn't act right away" Discuss

Wasn't that fixed already?

F021 N/A "Strengthen mage and priest charm spells"

Opposed, in the sense that they should be removed. A "make a monster into a friend" spell would be interesting, but that is variant level.

[PowerDiver]

Patch submitted on trac.

How did you get around the pval size limitation on gold objects?

[PaulBlay]

F014 N/A "monsters waking up shouldn't act right away" Discuss

Wasn't that fixed already?

That's why it's given as "N/A". Those items have been removed from voting (for whatever reason) and are kept in the list just so people don't wonder where they've gone. Full details in the first post of this thread.

F001 -2 "Remove charisma." Discuss

I cast as many of my positive votes as I am allowed to get rid of charisma. Please ignore any votes I made above to use them all here.

One vote per item, please.

F019 -1 "Naturally increasing stats, no stat potions"

That's a huge change. Any discussion needs a thread unto itself. That's also true for some others. This all-at-once is a bad way to discuss these multiple changes IMO.

That's what the 'Discuss' links are for. Start (or find) a thread and I'll link it.

F013 +3 "improve mage sleep/confusion/slow/polymorph/wonder spells" Dicuss

They are mostly useless, so should perhaps be removed. Sometimes less is more. This might be particularly relevant depending upon how mage and priest books are merged in my alternate universe.

That sounds like a "Vote against" to me. Am I right?

[PowerDiver]

That sounds like a "Vote against" to me. Am I right?

F013 +2 "improve mage sleep/confusion/slow/polymorph/wonder spells"
F019 -1 "Naturally increasing stats, no stat potions"

Not in the context of "only one negative vote". I am more strongly opposed, for the time being, to F019 than to F013, although after further discussion perhaps I might change my mind.