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    Veteran
    • Oct 2016
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    V standarts are horribad

    this is the fifth (plus failed starts) Troll Paladin i tried to win with this session, with the previous 3 dying to:
    1. no FA after finding !Exp
    2. 1shotted by a nether breather
    3. me being stupid and not moving out of the way of the terrasque after being down to 50hp.
    4. just plain ol lack of consumables + swarm of orcs

    i finally got him down to Morgoth. But before finding Deathwrecker, i was seriously scumming for dragon armors. (and then i thought, "i got tons of consumables, let's just go kill these two guys before i get accidentally breathed shards on by Chronos, or something")

    I'm not sure if i have *ever* had a standart winner, and now i see why.
    Tons of resist holes, if i move one piece i lose pConf, or rNether, or rChaos, and i have no rSound and rShard at all. Had NO pBlind the whole game.

    The standard artifact set is really pathetic. Yeah yeah, you're gonna say "ooh but it's got Ringil and whatnot" but what matters is the other stuff.

    I mean .. i've had randart sets (just recently) that were redonculous powerful but no rFire (!!), so that can occasionally happen, but broadly speaking randart sets are way, way stronger.

    No it's not just the Lights having additional bonuses, it's that the various armors, cloaks, boots, weapons, etc have much more randomized bonuses and resists, instead of a set of powers that make the artifact "what it should be, in the idea of Tolkien". While randarts may lack in "style", they make up in power.

    Anyway; here is my troll, Standtroll.

    Code:
      [Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump]
    
     Name   Standtroll   Age             25          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
     Race   Half-Troll   Height       8'10"   STR! 18/100  +4  +1 +14 18/***
     Class  Paladin      Weight   14st 10lb   INT! 18/100  -4  -3  +3  18/60
     Title  ***WINNER*** Turns used:          WIS! 18/100  -2  +1  +5 18/140
     HP     1139/1139    Game       1039204   DEX! 18/100  -4  -1  +8 18/130
     SP     292/292      Standard    177829   CON! 18/100  +3  +2  +6 18/210
                         Resting      70272
    
     Level                 50    Armor     [76,+124]    Saving Throw     83%
     Cur Exp          9011539                           Stealth         Fair
     Max Exp          9011539    Melee       7d8,+48    Disarm - phys.   87%
     Adv Exp         ********    To-hit       87,+59    Disarm - magic   71%
                                 Blows      4.0/turn    Magic Devices     70
     Gold            10976963                           Searching        61%
     Burden          224.0 lb    Shoot to-dam    +19    Infravision    30 ft
     Overweight       44.1 lb    To-hit       60,+61    Speed      31 (3.8x)
     Max Depth   5050' (L101)    Shots        1/turn
    
     Your father was a Cave-Troll Cook.  You have blue-bloodshot eyes,
     dirty dark purple hair, and blue scabby skin.
    
    
    
    rAcid:......++.+... Nexus:.........+.+.
    rElec:......+...... Nethr:......+......
    rFire:*.*.+.+...... Chaos:+.......+....
    rCold:......+..+... Disen:+.......+....
    rPois:....+........ pFear:..+.+........
    rLite:............. pBlnd:.............
    rDark:+........+... pConf:.+...........
    Sound:............. pStun:.............
    Shard:............. HLife:........+....
    
    Regen:..+.........+ Stea.:......++.....
      ESP:..+.......... Sear.:.............
    Invis:..+..+....... Infra:............+
    FrAct:.++......++.. Tunn.:+............
    Feath:............. Speed:..+++......+.
    S.Dig:..+.......... Blows:.............
    ImpHP:............. Shots:.............
     Fear:............. Might:.+...........
    Aggrv:+............ Light:.....+.......
    
    
      [Last Messages]
    
    > You feel anxious about this place.
    > You enter a maze of up staircases.
    > This place seems terribly dangerous.
    > The air about you becomes charged...
    > You feel yourself yanked upwards!
    > The village idiot wakes up.
    > The squint-eyed rogue wakes up.
    > The battle-scarred veteran wakes up.
    > You burn the battle-scarred veteran.
    > You have slain the battle-scarred veteran.
    > You drop the Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth [0,+0] <+50, +1> {??} ().
    > You have a Set of Caestus of Power (+4,+6) [5,+16] <+5> (t).
    > You drop the Mighty Hammer 'Grond' (9d9) (+5,+25) [+10] ().
    > You drop a Set of Caestus of Power (+4,+6) [5,+16] <+5> (t).
    > You have no more Sets of Caestus of Power (+4,+6) [5,+16] <+5> (t).
    
    Killed by Ripe Old Age.
    
      [Character Equipment]
    
    a) the Mace of Disruption 'Deathwreaker' (7d8) (+18,+18) <+6, +4>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4850 feet (level 97)
         
         +6 strength.
         +4 tunneling.
         Slays undead (powerfully), dragons, animals, evil creatures.
         Branded with fire.
         Provides immunity to fire.
         Provides resistance to dark, chaos, disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Aggravates creatures nearby.  
         
         Combat info:
         4.0 blows/round.
         With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 4.5 blows
         Average damage/round: 689.2 vs. creatures not resistant to fire,
         1006.8 vs. undead, 689.2 vs. dragons, 530.4 vs. animals, 530.4 vs.
         evil creatures, and 371.6 vs. others.
         
    b) a Short Bow of Lothlórien (x4) (+20,+19) <+4, +2>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4750 feet (level 95)
         
         +4 dexterity.
         +2 shooting power.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
    c) the Ring of Fire 'Narya' (+2,+2) <+1, +5>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4650 feet (level 93)
         
         +1 strength.
         +1 intelligence.
         +1 wisdom.
         +1 dexterity.
         +1 constitution.
         +5 speed.
         Provides immunity to fire.
         Provides protection from fear.
         Cannot be harmed by lightning.
         Sustains strength, constitution.
         Slows your metabolism.  Speeds regeneration.  Grants telepathy. 
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.  Prevents paralysis.  
         
         When activated, it grants you protection from evil for 1d25 plus 3
         times your character level turns.
         Takes 775 to 1520 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 84.5%
         
    d) a Ring of Speed <+11>
         Dropped by Shelob, Spider of Darkness at 4700 feet (level 94)
         
         +11 speed.
         
    e) the Elfstone 'Elessar' [+10] <+2>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 3650 feet (level 73)
         
         +2 strength.
         +2 wisdom.
         +2 speed.
         Provides resistance to fire, poison.
         Provides protection from fear.
         
         When activated, it heals 500 hit points.
         Takes 760 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 87.0%
         
    f) the Star of Elendil <+3>
         Dropped by Ar-Pharaz�n the Golden at 3250 feet (level 65)
         
         +3 light.
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
         Radius 3 light.
         
         When activated, it maps the area around you.
         Takes 193 to 380 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 92.4%
         
    g) Metal Lamellar Armour of Elvenkind (-3) [58,+12] <+2> {!d, ignore}
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 3150 feet (level 63)
         
         +2 stealth.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, nether.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    h) the Cloak 'Holcolleth' [1,+7] <+2, +3>
         Dropped by Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief at 600 feet (level 12)
         
         +2 intelligence.
         +2 wisdom.
         +3 stealth.
         Provides resistance to acid.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         
         When activated, it puts to sleep the monsters around you.
         Takes 209 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 95.2%
         
    i) a Small Metal Shield of Preservation [5,+26]
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4750 feet (level 95)
         
         Provides resistance to chaos, disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains strength, dexterity, constitution.
         Sustains your life force.  
         
    j) the Steel Helm of Hammerhand [9,+20] <+3>
         Found lying on the floor in a pit at 2100 feet (level 42)
         
         +3 strength.
         +3 dexterity.
         +3 constitution.
         Provides resistance to acid, cold, dark, nexus.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
    k) the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg' (+8,+8) [1,+15] <+2>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 1850 feet (level 37)
         
         +2 strength.
         +2 constitution.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
    l) the Pair of Leather Boots of Fëanor [2,+20] <+15>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4550 feet (level 91)
         
         +15 speed.
         Provides resistance to nexus.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         
         When activated, it hastens you for d20+20 turns.
         Takes 760 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 90.9%
         
    
    
    
    
      [Character Inventory]
    
    a) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Beginners Handbook]
    b) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Words of Wisdom]
    c) 3 Holy Books of Prayers [Chants and Blessings]
    d) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Exorcism and Dispelling]
    e) a Holy Book of Prayers [Ethereal Openings]
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         
    f) a Holy Book of Prayers [Wrath of God]
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         
    g) 25 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
    h) 14 Potions of Healing
    i) 21 Potions of *Healing*
         It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
         
    j) 22 Potions of Restore Mana
    k) 11 Potions of Restore Life Levels
    l) 9 Potions of Enlightenment
    m) 18 Potions of Speed
    n) 8 Scrolls of Banishment
    o) 10 Scrolls of Mass Banishment
    p) 3 Rods of Slow Monster
    q) 9 Rods of Healing
         Cannot be harmed by lightning.
         
    r) 3 Rods of Restoration (1 charging)
         Cannot be harmed by lightning.
         
    s) 8 Rods of Teleport Other
    
    
    
    
      [Character Quiver]
    
    0) 5 Seeker Arrows (4d4) (+3,+10)
         Combat info:
         Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
         Average damage/round: 163.8.
         35% chance of breaking upon contact.
         
    1) 3 Seeker Arrows of Wounding (4d4) (+23,+23)
         Combat info:
         Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
         Average damage/round: 222.5.
         35% chance of breaking upon contact.
         
    2) 21 Seeker Arrows of Holy Might (4d4) (+17,+11)
         Slays undead, demons, evil creatures.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         
         Combat info:
         Hits targets up to 140 feet away.
         Average damage/round: 296.8 vs. undead, 296.8 vs. demons, 254.4
         vs. evil creatures, and 169.6 vs. others.
         35% chance of breaking upon contact.
         
    
    
      [Home Inventory]
    
    a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Godly Insights]
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         
    b) a Holy Book of Prayers [Purifications and Healing]
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         
    c) a Holy Book of Prayers [Holy Infusions]
         Cannot be harmed by fire.
         
    d) the Pendant of Ingwë <+3, +4>
         Dropped by a blue yeek at 1800 feet (level 36)
         
         +3 intelligence.
         +3 wisdom.
         +4 infravision.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, cold.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.  Prevents paralysis.  
         
         When activated, it deals five times your level's damage to all
         evil creatures that you can see.
         Takes 193 to 380 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 85.8%
         
    e) the Necklace of the Dwarves <+3, +5, +1>
         Dropped by Arien, Maia of the Sun at 4750 feet (level 95)
         
         +3 strength.
         +3 constitution.
         +5 infravision.
         +1 light.
         Provides protection from fear.
         Speeds regeneration.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
    f) the Chain Mail of Arvedui (-2) [40,+15] <+2>
         Dropped by Dwar, Dog Lord of Waw at 3150 feet (level 63)
         
         +2 strength.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, shards, nexus.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    g) the Metal Brigandine Armour of the Rohirrim [50,+15] <+2>
         Dropped by Baphomet the Minotaur Lord at 4850 feet (level 97)
         
         +2 strength.
         +2 dexterity.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, sound.
         Provides protection from fear, confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    h) the Full Plate Armour of Isildur [75,+25] <+1>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4700 feet (level 94)
         
         +1 constitution.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, sound, nexus.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    i) the Wicker Shield of Elros [2,+20] <+1, +4>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4800 feet (level 96)
         
         +1 intelligence.
         +1 wisdom.
         +4 constitution.
         Provides resistance to lightning, shards.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains your life force.  
         
    j) the Small Metal Shield of Thorin [5,+25] <+3, +4, -1>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4800 feet (level 96)
         
         +3 strength.
         +4 constitution.
         -1 stealth.
         Provides immunity to acid.
         Provides resistance to sound, chaos.
         Provides protection from fear.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
    k) the Leather Shield of the Haradrim (+5,+5) [9,+15] <+2>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4800 feet (level 96)
         
         +2 strength.
         +2 constitution.
         Provides resistance to poison.
         Provides protection from fear, blindness.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains strength, constitution.
         
         When activated, it puts you in a berserker rage for d50+50 turns.
         Takes 190 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 91.6%
         
    l) the Leather Shield of Celegorm [8,+20]
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 2050 feet (level 41)
         
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, light, dark.
         Provides protection from blindness.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    m) a Leather Shield of Preservation [8,+16]
         Found lying on the floor of a special room at 2350 feet (level 47)
         
         Provides resistance to poison, disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains strength, dexterity, constitution.
         Sustains your life force.  
         
    n) the Large Metal Shield of Anárion [12,+20]
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4800 feet (level 96)
         
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution.
         
    o) the Mithril Shield of Gil-galad [20,+20] <+5, +1>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4800 feet (level 96)
         
         +5 wisdom.
         +1 light.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, dark, disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Sustains wisdom, dexterity.
         
         When activated, it fires a line of light in all directions, each
         one causing 10d8 damage.
         Takes 380 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 84.5%
         
    p) the Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth [0,+0] <+50, +1>
         Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100)
         
         +50 strength.
         +50 intelligence.
         +50 wisdom.
         +50 dexterity.
         +50 constitution.
         +50 infravision.
         +1 light.
         Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, cold, poison, light,
         dark, nexus, nether.
         Provides protection from fear, confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
         Can't be removed.  
         
    q) the Hard Leather Cap of Thranduil [2,+10] <+2>
         Dropped by Kavlax the Many-Headed at 4450 feet (level 89)
         
         +2 intelligence.
         +2 wisdom.
         Provides protection from blindness.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Grants telepathy.  
         
    r) the Metal Cap of Thengel [3,+12] <+3>
         Found lying on the floor in a pit at 600 feet (level 12)
         
         +3 wisdom.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         
    s) the Iron Helm 'Holhenneth' [7,+10] <+2>
         Dropped by a young multi-hued dragon at 2050 feet (level 41)
         
         +2 intelligence.
         +2 wisdom.
         +2 searching skill.
         Provides protection from blindness, confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid.
         Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
         
         When activated, it detects treasure and all creatures and maps an
         area nearby.
         Takes 212 to 418 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 93.6%
         
    t) the Pair of Leather Boots 'Dal-i-thalion' [2,+15] <+5>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4850 feet (level 97)
         
         +5 dexterity.
         +5 speed.
         Provides resistance to nether.
         Provides protection from confusion.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Sustains constitution.
         Prevents paralysis.  
         
         When activated, it cures you of fear and poison.
         Takes 19 turns to recharge at your current speed.
         Your chance of success is 94.7%
         
    u) the Mighty Hammer 'Grond' (9d9) (+5,+25) [+10]
         Dropped by Morgoth, Lord of Darkness at 5000 feet (level 100)
         
         Slays undead (powerfully), dragons (powerfully), demons
         (powerfully), trolls, orcs, animals, evil creatures.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Grants telepathy.  Grants the ability to see invisible things. 
         Sometimes creates earthquakes on impact.  Aggravates creatures
         nearby.  
         
         Combat info:
         3.3 blows/round.
         With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 4.0 blows
         Average damage/round: 1453.8 vs. undead, 1453.8 vs. dragons,
         1453.8 vs. demons, 968.3 vs. trolls, 968.3 vs. orcs, 725.6 vs.
         animals, 725.6 vs. evil creatures, and 482.8 vs. others.
         
    v) the Short Bow of Amras (x3) (+12,+15) <+2, +1>
         Dropped by Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman at 1800 feet (level 36)
         
         +2 intelligence.
         +2 wisdom.
         +2 dexterity.
         +1 speed.
         +1 shooting speed.
         +1 shooting power.
         Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Slows your metabolism.  
         
    w) the Short Bow of Amrod (x4) (+12,+15) <+2>
         Dropped by Ufthak of Cirith Ungol at 1600 feet (level 32)
         
         +2 strength.
         +2 constitution.
         +2 shooting power.
         Provides resistance to lightning, fire, cold.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         Speeds regeneration.  
         
    x) the Long Bow 'Belthronding' (x3) (+20,+22) <+3, +1>
         Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4750 feet (level 95)
         
         +3 dexterity.
         +1 stealth.
         +1 speed.
         +1 shooting speed.
         Provides resistance to disenchantment.
         Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
         
    
    
    [Player history]
          Turn   Depth  Note
             0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
           383    100'  Reached level 2
           581    150'  Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's Dog
           581    150'  Reached level 3
           979    250'  Reached level 4
          1054    500'  Reached level 5
          1160    500'  Reached level 6
          1525    500'  Reached level 7
          2341    550'  Reached level 8
          2652    550'  Reached level 9
          3362    550'  Reached level 10
          3742    600'  Reached level 11
          3929    600'  Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
          4090    600'  Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
          4090    600'  Reached level 12
          4352    600'  Reached level 13
          4404    600'  Killed Grishnákh, the Hill Orc
          4404    600'  Found the Rapier 'Forasgil' (LOST)
          4619    600'  Found the Cloak 'Holcolleth'
          4623    600'  Found the Dagger 'Narthanc' (LOST)
          5563    600'  Reached level 14
          5697    600'  Reached level 15
          6097    600'  Found the Phial of Galadriel (LOST)
          6141    600'  Found the Metal Cap of Thengel
          9767    600'  Reached level 16
         10062    600'  Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
         10260    650'  Killed Brodda, the Easterling
         11032      0'  Reached level 16
         11062      0'  Killed Farmer Maggot
         11322    700'  Reached level 17
         11738    700'  Reached level 18
         12009    700'  Reached level 19
         13570    850'  Reached level 20
         13670    900'  Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
         13742    900'  Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
         15432    950'  Reached level 21
         24227   1000'  Reached level 22
         24457   1000'  Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
         25642   1050'  Reached level 23
         25781      0'  Reached level 22
         25781      0'  Reached level 23
         28046   1050'  Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Paurnen' (LOST)
         28491   1100'  Reached level 24
         28678   1150'  Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
         30113   1200'  Killed Ibun, Son of Mîm
         30116   1200'  Found the Dagger 'Nimthanc' (LOST)
         31007   1200'  Reached level 25
         31393   1250'  Reached level 25
         31885   1250'  Killed Sangahyando of Umbar
         31885   1250'  Found the Morning Star 'Bloodspike' (LOST)
         31908   1250'  Killed Angamaitë of Umbar
         34245   1350'  Killed Lugdush, the Uruk
         34252   1350'  Killed Uglúk, the Uruk
         34765   1450'  Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's Dog
         34843   1450'  Reached level 26
         36547   1500'  Killed Sméagol
         36737   1500'  Killed Khîm, Son of Mîm
         37510   1500'  Reached level 27
         39486   1600'  Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
         39489   1600'  Found the Short Bow of Amrod
         41043   1650'  Reached level 28
         42168   1700'  Killed Bolg, Son of Azog
         42168   1700'  Found the Halberd 'Osondir' (LOST)
         42958   1700'  Killed Azog, King of the Uruk-Hai
         44018   1700'  Reached level 29
         44916   1750'  Killed Tom the Stone Troll
         44997   1750'  Killed Bill the Stone Troll
         45009   1750'  Killed Bert the Stone Troll
         48203   1800'  Reached level 30
         48215   1800'  Killed Draebor, the Imp
         49047   1800'  Killed Nár, the Dwarf
         50195   1800'  Reached level 31
         50195   1800'  Reached level 32
         50259   1800'  Found the Pendant of Ingwë
         50295   1800'  Killed Boldor, King of the Yeeks
         50342   1800'  Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
         50374   1800'  Found the Short Bow of Amras
         51147   1850'  Killed Castamir the Usurper
         51295   1850'  Found the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cambeleg'
         54629   1900'  Found the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim' (LOST)
         54797   1900'  Reached level 33
         55790   1950'  Found the Cloak of Thorongil (LOST)
         55804   1950'  Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' (LOST)
         56253   1950'  Killed Uldor the Accursed
         56474   1950'  Reached level 33
         56902   2000'  Reached level 33
         56925   2000'  Killed Uvatha the Horseman
         56926   2000'  Found the Long Sword 'Elvagil' (LOST)
         57715   2000'  Killed The Queen Ant
         57724   2000'  Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
         57813   2000'  Found the Mace 'Taratol' (LOST)
         63090   2000'  Killed Beorn, the Shape-Changer
         63332   2000'  Found the Pair of Leather Boots of Wormtongue (LOST)
         65326   2050'  Found the Iron Helm 'Holhenneth'
         65658   2050'  Killed Harowen the Black Hand
         65658   2050'  Reached level 34
         69292   2050'  Found the Leather Shield of Celegorm
         69304   2050'  Found the Dagger 'Dethanc' (LOST)
         72732   2100'  Found the Steel Helm of Hammerhand
         74241   2350'  Killed Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain
         74923   2350'  Reached level 35
         76867   3150'  Found the Pair of Mithril Shod Boots 'Stormwalker' (LOST)
         78245   3150'  Found the Set of Gauntlets of Eöl (LOST)
         78552   3150'  Reached level 36
         79481   3150'  Killed Itangast the Fire Drake
         80175   3150'  Reached level 37
         81430   3150'  Killed Dwar, Dog Lord of Waw
         81436   3150'  Found the Chain Mail of Arvedui
         81850   3150'  Killed Ren the Unclean
         81850   3150'  Found the Broad Sword 'Glamdring' (LOST)
         85079   3250'  Reached level 38
         85258   3250'  Killed Ar-Pharazôn the Golden
         85258   3250'  Found the Star of Elendil
         86545   3550'  Killed Fundin Bluecloak
         87327   3600'  Killed Ulfang the Black
         87332   3600'  Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang
         87946   3600'  Killed Saruman of Many Colours
         88143   3650'  Reached level 39
         88822   3650'  Found the Elfstone 'Elessar'
         89169   3650'  Found the Whip of Gothmog (LOST)
         89961   3700'  Killed Smaug the Golden
         91996   3850'  Killed Vargo, Tyrant of Fire
         92398   3900'  Reached level 40
         94161   3950'  Killed Eöl, the Dark Elf
         94428   3950'  Found the Scythe 'Avavir' (LOST)
         94491   3950'  Found the Ring of Barahir (LOST)
         95234   3950'  Killed The Balrog of Moria
         96968   4450'  Killed Hoarmurath of Dir
         96990   4450'  Killed Akhorahil the Blind
         97490   4450'  Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Camlost' (LOST)
         97539   4450'  Killed Rogrog the Black Troll
         97565   4450'  Killed Kavlax the Many-Headed
         97565   4450'  Found the Hard Leather Cap of Thranduil
         97909   4450'  Reached level 41
         98414   4550'  Found the Pair of Leather Boots of Fëanor
         99476   4650'  Killed Ji Indur Dawndeath
        100134   4650'  Found the Ring of Fire 'Narya'
        100180   4650'  Killed The Lernaean Hydra
        100628   4650'  Killed Polyphemus, the Blind Cyclops
        101471   4700'  Found the Full Plate Armour of Isildur
        101484   4700'  Killed Adunaphel the Quiet
        102962   4700'  Killed Shelob, Spider of Darkness
        103637   4700'  Reached level 42
        103661   4700'  Killed Scatha the Worm
        103661   4700'  Found the Cloak 'Colluin' (LOST)
        103716   4700'  Killed Lorgan, Chief of the Easterlings
        103723   4700'  Found the Lance of the Eorlingas (LOST)
        104233   4700'  Killed Gorlim, Betrayer of Barahir
        104767   4750'  Killed Qlzqqlzuup, the Emperor Quylthulg
        104993   4750'  Killed Khamûl, the Black Easterling
        105768   4750'  Found the Iron Crown of Berúthiel (LOST)
        109683   4750'  Found the Amulet of Carlammas (LOST)
        111895   4750'  Killed Arien, Maia of the Sun
        111896   4750'  Found the Pick of Erebor (LOST)
        111898   4750'  Found the Necklace of the Dwarves
        112374   4750'  Killed The Cat Lord
        112401   4750'  Reached level 43
        112628   4750'  Killed Draugluin, Sire of All Werewolves
        114979   4750'  Found the Battle Axe 'Lotharang' (LOST)
        117920   4750'  Killed Mîm, Betrayer of Turin
        118009   4750'  Killed Ariel, Queen of Air
        118009   4750'  Reached level 44
        119144   4750'  Found the Long Bow 'Belthronding'
        120316   4800'  Found the Large Metal Shield of Anárion
        120804   4800'  Found the Leather Scale Mail 'Thalkettoth' (LOST)
        121373   4800'  Reached level 45
        121511   4800'  Killed Quaker, Master of Earth
        121937   4800'  Found the Mithril Shield of Gil-galad
        125890   4850'  Found the Pair of Leather Boots 'Dal-i-thalion'
        126399   4850'  Killed Tselakus, the Dreadlord
        126412   4850'  Found the Spear of Melkor (LOST)
        127046   4850'  Killed Lungorthin, the Balrog of White Fire
        127046   4850'  Reached level 46
        130439   4900'  Killed Gothmog, the High Captain of Balrogs
        133419   4800'  Reached level 47
        134031   4800'  Found the Executioner's Sword 'Crisdurian' (LOST)
        134487   4800'  Reached level 47
        135315   4800'  Found the Small Metal Shield of Thorin
        136147   4900'  Killed Medusa, the Gorgon
        137020   4900'  Killed The Witch-King of Angmar
        137106   4900'  Found the Bastard Sword 'Calris' (LOST)
        140659   4900'  Reached level 48
        140718   4900'  Killed The Mouth of Sauron
        141286   4900'  Found the Short Sword 'Sting' (LOST)
        144849   4850'  Killed Pazuzu, Lord of Air
        147337   4850'  Killed Maeglin, the Traitor of Gondolin
        147628   4850'  Found the Katana 'Aglarang' (LOST)
        148545   4850'  Found the Lucerne Hammer 'Turmil' (LOST)
        150813   4900'  Reached level 49
        150932   4900'  Found the Zweihander 'Mormegil' (LOST)
        151033   4900'  Found the Zweihander 'Gurthang' (LOST)
        152831   4900'  Killed Waldern, King of Water
        154361   4800'  Reached level 50
        154588   4800'  Killed Omarax, the Eye Tyrant
        155132   4800'  Found the Leather Shield of the Haradrim
        155133   4800'  Found the Wicker Shield of Elros
        155756   4900'  Killed Feagwath, the Undead Sorcerer
        156327   4850'  Killed Glaurung, Father of the Dragons
        156894   4850'  Killed Atlas, the Titan
        157981   4900'  Killed Ungoliant, the Unlight
        158222   4900'  Found the Bastard Sword of Éowyn (LOST)
        158622   4850'  Killed Cantoras, the Skeletal Lord
        160373   4850'  Killed Baphomet the Minotaur Lord
        160373   4850'  Found the Metal Brigandine Armour of the Rohirrim
        160393   4850'  Found the Spear 'Aiglos' (LOST)
        164795   4850'  Found the Mace of Disruption 'Deathwreaker'
        168579   4950'  Killed Sauron, the Sorcerer
        177528   5000'  Killed Morgoth, Lord of Darkness
        177528   5000'  Found the Massive Iron Crown of Morgoth
        177529   5000'  Found the Mighty Hammer 'Grond'
    note the amount of consumables *after* the fight. I used 4 Runes and he was down to 4* when he broke the last one.
    "i can take this dracolich"
  • Mondkalb
    Knight
    • Apr 2007
    • 982

    #2
    In my last go (also died to nether, I believe), @ had a weapon that dealt nearly 900 against dragons (at clevel 42 or so).
    My Angband winners so far

    My FAangband efforts so far

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    • Sky
      Veteran
      • Oct 2016
      • 2321

      #3
      im gonna compare it to a randart troll, which i already have rolling now, he rolled 4 times max hp so at CL4 i have 74hp (!!!!!!). Starts with a d19 (CON included).
      "i can take this dracolich"

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      • Estie
        Veteran
        • Apr 2008
        • 2347

        #4
        Are you kidding ? With standarts you might not easily get 1000 dam against something, but you almost never have any holes. Well, not important ones - who cares about rsound.

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        • Sky
          Veteran
          • Oct 2016
          • 2321

          #5
          uh, i found BOTH a !Aug and a Priest 7 on DL13. Same room, *not* a vault.
          "i can take this dracolich"

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          • Estie
            Veteran
            • Apr 2008
            • 2347

            #6
            I looked at your dump - are you really wearing elven armor for the rnether ? Thalkettoth (LOST) would have served you better, so would Rohirrim.

            For me, rnether is a swap item at best, for Azriel or whatever he is called these days.

            And pconf for the final fight ? In the unlikely case you get confused you can pop a !*heal*, if really worried.

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            • Sky
              Veteran
              • Oct 2016
              • 2321

              #7
              rNether is necessary due to the side effect of nether being XP drain, EVEN with HL. I'm not made of potions of RLL.
              And, once below DL65, it's vital.

              yes, Osse breathes nether. So do nether hounds. And those hounds weho breathe everything, and astral hounds, and those vortexes who breathe everything. And death drakes.(i think dreads have nether attacks as well, and i'm sure a dozen or so undead)
              Last edited by Sky; March 9, 2021, 16:51.
              "i can take this dracolich"

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              • Ingwe Ingweron
                Veteran
                • Jan 2009
                • 2129

                #8
                I totally agree with Estie here. You've got to be kidding. With standarts it is definitely easier to guarantee a suitable kit for taking on the Big Bosses, and usually there are very few resistance holes other than maybe rNether and pStun.
                “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                • Nick
                  Vanilla maintainer
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9634

                  #9
                  What I'm hearing is I need to nerf randarts again.
                  One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                  In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                  • Estie
                    Veteran
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 2347

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Nick
                    What I'm hearing is I need to nerf randarts again.
                    No, no, no. If you really want to power them down, please oh please also nerf the ego items. Otherwise the randomness is gone because the equipment will consist mostly of ego items.

                    Even better, of course, would be to make random egos.

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                    • Pete Mack
                      Prophet
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 6883

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Nick
                      What I'm hearing is I need to nerf randarts again.
                      Pretty much, yeah. Nether resist is *way* too common. It should be hard to get.

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                      • Ed_47569
                        Adept
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 114

                        #12
                        I wouldn't complain too much...

                        [Character Equipment]

                        a) the Mace of Disruption 'Deathwreaker' (7d8) (+18,+18) <+6, +4>
                        Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4850 feet (level 97)

                        +6 strength.
                        +4 tunneling.
                        Slays undead (powerfully), dragons, animals, evil creatures.
                        Branded with fire.
                        Provides immunity to fire.
                        Provides resistance to dark, chaos, disenchantment.
                        Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
                        Aggravates creatures nearby.

                        Combat info:
                        4.0 blows/round.
                        With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 4.5 blows
                        Average damage/round: 689.2 vs. creatures not resistant to fire,
                        1006.8 vs. undead, 689.2 vs. dragons, 530.4 vs. animals, 530.4 vs.
                        evil creatures, and 371.6 vs. others.


                        l) the Pair of Leather Boots of Fëanor [2,+20] <+15>
                        Found lying on the floor in a vault at 4550 feet (level 91)

                        +15 speed.
                        Provides resistance to nexus.
                        Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.

                        When activated, it hastens you for d20+20 turns.
                        Takes 760 turns to recharge at your current speed.
                        Your chance of success is 90.9%

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                        • Pete Mack
                          Prophet
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 6883

                          #13
                          I didn't catch that he'd got two of the very best artifacts in the game. Part of the problem is that H-T is not a great choice for paladin, as it's really hard to get 5 blows. That said, Trickery is easily a better choice than Elessar.

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                          • Ed_47569
                            Adept
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 114

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pete Mack
                            I didn't catch that he'd got two of the very best artifacts in the game. Part of the problem is that H-T is not a great choice for paladin, as it's really hard to get 5 blows. That said, Trickery is easily a better choice than Elessar.
                            I would agree - Elessar has been nerfed at some point, it used to have +7/+7 hit/damage bonuses. Trickery or Weaponmastery are my favourites.

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                            • Mondkalb
                              Knight
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 982

                              #15
                              Random ego items sound like fun.
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                              My FAangband efforts so far

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