What was the item on your early x-9 level ?

[Estie]

Tensers prior value stemmed from the fact that melee/archery was a mages best damage option in the lategame, so berserk and enchanting enhanced that. Now that his spell and device output has been buffed, the melee oriented spells arent all that useful whether thematic or not. The remaining role for melee is to equip something like a MoD of Gondolin and level up on susceptible mobs with few clicks. Killing anything dangerous is done with spell or wand.

So...why do you want to nerf his melee, it is below the threshold anyway.

[Sky]

my reasoning is based on playing with randarts.

Randart games either are, or aren't overpowered. When they are, it's overboard with the overpoweredness. I very rarely find a randart set that "is a tiny bit too strong". Generally it means it's either got off-hand extra blows, or it doesn't. (sometimes it's not a weapon, it can be am armor with very high bonuses, or a high speed bonus, etc)

Mages in randart games either belong to group A and win by TO and then directly to manastorm, or to group B when they find something that allows them to melee even strong uniques, and - look at my characters - this happens, a lot.

A mage should not be able to rely on melee, specially deeper down.
4 blows is not weak. 300+ DPS is not weak.

If you want to play a class that can Mass-Banish entire vaults at the time or clear an entire level of all demons, then you need to pay the price.

Enchanting and berserk need to come back for flavour, not for a practical reason.

[Pete Mack]

@sky--
I find this utterly unconvincing. First, you suggest that the game should be balanced for randarts, which is impossible. Further, when I find a MoD of Gondolin as a mage, it's a fun change to go hunting. Add in rune and shockwave/ice storm, and you can fight Horned Reapers.*

I don't see anything wrong with this.

*if you really want to--they have no drop.

[ElmerHomero]

For X-Y, X is the monster ... Y is the treasure level...

A monster pit will inflate the first number...

Playing 4.2.2. Somewhere before DL 30, I found a 9-9 level: I managed to clear a pit of demons and my reward was Wizard's Tome of Power (almost useless as apart from Shock Wave, I had no access to the other spells yet).

A number of things do not figure into the treasure number (monster drops, loot in chests, loot in rubble).

In the aftergame, at DL 107 with 5-5 level feelings, a young white dragon dropped the Ring of Power 'The One Ring'. Go figure.

[sffp]

In the aftergame, at DL 107 with 5-5 level feelings, a young white dragon dropped the Ring of Power 'The One Ring'. Go figure.

I don't believe drops improve level feeling - only what's on the floor.

[ElmerHomero]

I don't believe drops improve level feeling - only what's on the floor.

Indeed. I guess I should have phrased thing differently. With the "[g]o figure" I did not mean to imply that the level feelings should have been higher because of the ring. Instead, I meant to indicate my surprise with the One Ring being dropped by a young and insignificant dragon .

[forenmagra]

4-9 feeling, seems to have been triggered by Potion of *Enlightenment* at DL12

[Pete Mack]

!enlughtenment isnt all that deep an object. Surprising it can generate a -9 feeling.

[Nick]

!enlughtenment isnt all that deep an object. Surprising it can generate a -9 feeling.

!*Enlightenment* is level 70. Are you reading this on something which uses * for *bold*?

[Pete Mack]

D'oh!
Your lucky to see even one of those in a game.

[Ugramoth]

New game with HT priest, DL 3 is still showing as 2-? but I believe ? is going to be 9 since I found this:

Flail of *Slay Evil* (2d6) (+4, +4) <+1>:
Found lying on the floor in a vailt at 150 feet (level 3)

+1 wisdom
Slays evil creatures
Grants telepathy Blessed by the gods

[Ugramoth]

Dafug? Did I break the RNG?

Tulwar of *Slay Evil* (2d4) (+2, +5) <+1>
Dropped by Smeagol at 150 feet (level 3)

+1 wisdom
Slays evil creatures
Grants telepathy . Blessed by the gods

[Sky]

tbh im surprised you managed to kill Smeagol with a early priest.

[Estie]

Wand of wonder can do it.

[Ugramoth]

tbh im surprised you managed to kill Smeagol with a early priest.

Telepathy+sling