Greatest Farmer Maggot drop ever?

[DudeMan]

Level 7 human warrior is HAPPY!

[LordRotharoth]

I sure haven't gotten anything better than that. That's awesome

[Sky]

i didnt need it, but, Wrath Of God.
Best drop i actually could use, Trident Of Wrath from Boldor on DL4 i think.

[DudeMan]

i didnt need it, but, Wrath Of God.
Best drop i actually could use, Trident Of Wrath from Boldor on DL4 i think.

I didn't know one could get 'special' from Farmer Maggot .

Back in the day when I still cheated I edited all the towns folk to drop:

flags:DROP_4 | DROP_GOOD | DROP_GREAT | ONLY_ITEM

I did not get a single 'special' item even thought I would spam for great starting gear for hours. Because of this I started to think 'special' was reserved to dungeon.

[Sky]

i think the way it works is- allegedly - ANY item has a 0.1% chance of being an artifact. This leads me to believe that there is a % chance that the drop is of a higher quality than it start with.
The difference is that, let's say, if a mob has DROP_GOOD all drops start as Good, if it has DROP_SUPERB then they start with superb, and every drop needs to go through each % roll as if it were a gate, so a Good drop must first roll unknown% to be Great, IF it is Great then rolls for Superb, etc.

[Cryomaniac]

From what I recall, artifacts won't get generated in town/wilderness areas (for Zang variants); this doesn't apply to random artifacts in Hengband - I've had Maggot drop randarts on several occasions there.

[DudeMan]

i think the way it works is- allegedly - ANY item has a 0.1% chance of being an artifact. This leads me to believe that there is a % chance that the drop is of a higher quality than it start with.
The difference is that, let's say, if a mob has DROP_GOOD all drops start as Good, if it has DROP_SUPERB then they start with superb, and every drop needs to go through each % roll as if it were a gate, so a Good drop must first roll unknown% to be Great, IF it is Great then rolls for Superb, etc.

Still despite of a humongous amount of items generated in a span of multiple years, not a single artifact. One single visit to town would yield maybe 30 items. After checking these items I would pop down to dungeons and immediately up again. Rinse and repeat for a few hours until I had 'excelent' items in each slot. I don't know how many items were created but it must be in the hundreds of thousands as I have been playing Angband from the early 90's.

My empirical observations suggest that I am right, but maybe developers can shed some light to this matter?

[Cryomaniac]

If I'm reading the source code right, artifacts won't get generated in town, and this generally should apply to other *band variants as well.

[Sky]

If I'm reading the source code right, artifacts won't get generated in town, and this generally should apply to other *band variants as well.

i cant read the code so i dont know. I imagine this is a separate limitation? as in, a line of code that essentially says "if DL=TOWN, do not roll for artifacts".
i never had an artifact generated in town, although the occurrence of that would be already super-rare even without that code. I have had artifacts generated on DL1, but even that is super rare.

[wobbly]

i cant read the code so i dont know. I imagine this is a separate limitation? as in, a line of code that essentially says "if DL=TOWN, do not roll for artifacts".
i never had an artifact generated in town, although the occurrence of that would be already super-rare even without that code. I have had artifacts generated on DL1, but even that is super rare.

/* No artifacts in the town */
if (!player->depth) return false;

So to generate an ego it needs to pass these checks:

• Good ( 33 + level % or drop_good)
• Great ( 30% or drop_great)

Then if its an ego it gets a number of rolls to be an artifact. 1 roll (2 rolls for forced_great) + 2 for unique/acquirement, again it has to pass 2 checks

• out of depth check
• rarity check

[Sky]

/* No artifacts in the town */
if (!player->depth) return false;

So to generate an ego it needs to pass these checks:

• Good ( 33 + level % or drop_good)
• Great ( 30% or drop_great)

Then if its an ego it gets a number of rolls to be an artifact. 1 roll (2 rolls for forced_great) + 2 for unique/acquirement, again it has to pass 2 checks

• out of depth check
• rarity check

i mean, it's not a tragedy that you can't find artifacts in town. I've had ego daggers dropped by mercenaries before, although i generally dont try killing them because they can hurt a CL1.

[Ugramoth]

Maybe not as good as +6 speed but one time the first thing I meet in brand new game was Farmer Maggot and he dropped a dragon scale mail. Activation could wipe out just about anything for quite a few levels.

[DudeMan]

Maybe not as good as +6 speed but one time the first thing I meet in brand new game was Farmer Maggot and he dropped a dragon scale mail. Activation could wipe out just about anything for quite a few levels.

Early dragon scale mail is always great. Most of early uniques drop like flies and the ones that don't die immediately are seriously hurt.