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  • PaulBlay
    Knight
    • Jan 2009
    • 657

    There's a 'B' in my bedroom.

    'B' that is.
    Currently turning (Angband) Japanese.
  • Atarlost
    Swordsman
    • Apr 2007
    • 441

    #2
    Um. Why do you have a crow in your bedroom?
    One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them.
    One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

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    • PaulBlay
      Knight
      • Jan 2009
      • 657

      #3
      Originally posted by Atarlost
      Um. Why do you have a crow in your bedroom?
      Actually it's a jackdaw, but they didn't get into Angband.

      It's in my bedroom for the usual reasons - fell (or was pushed) out of the nest, too young to fly back. After a day you figure it's going to end up as catfood (or road pizza) if it's not taken care of. It's quite tame, and very stupid (tendency to stand in the middle of the road).
      Currently turning (Angband) Japanese.

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      • Dubtrain
        Scout
        • Feb 2009
        • 33

        #4
        Maybe it's a baby Crebain!

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        • Atarlost
          Swordsman
          • Apr 2007
          • 441

          #5
          Crebain is the plural dagnabbit. The singular is Creban or possibly Craban.

          That's assuming that Legolas is using a Sindarin term which I think is plausable.
          One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them.
          One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

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          • Dubtrain
            Scout
            • Feb 2009
            • 33

            #6
            Aragorn: "Regiments of black crows are flying all over the land between the Mountains and the Greyflood, and they have passed over Hollin. They are not natives here; they are crebain out of Fangorn and Dunland."

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            • Atarlost
              Swordsman
              • Apr 2007
              • 441

              #7
              For some reason I thought it was Legolas.

              He's still using it as a plural and, having been raised in Rivendell, is allmost certainly fluent in Sindarin. It also looks like a Sindarin plural of the same form as Edain for Adan. If it's in another language we have no idea what the singular is except that it's probably different.
              One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them.
              One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

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              • Dubtrain
                Scout
                • Feb 2009
                • 33

                #8
                Yeah, definitely plural. I forgot to say that I was agreeing with you - oops!

                I think that's the only mention of them in the trilogy. Kind of a waste, really; the crebain have a lot of narrative potential!

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                • Faust
                  Adept
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 129

                  #9
                  Craban apparently.

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                  • pav
                    Administrator
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 793

                    #10
                    And you trust an "encyclopedia" anyone can edit? Really?

                    Large black birds of crow-kind, native to the lands that bordered the southern Misty Mountains, Dunland to the west and Fangorn to the east. They seemed...


                    No mention of singular here.
                    See the elves and everything! http://angband.oook.cz

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                    • PaulBlay
                      Knight
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 657

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pav
                      And you trust an "encyclopedia" anyone can edit? Really?

                      Large black birds of crow-kind, native to the lands that bordered the southern Misty Mountains, Dunland to the west and Fangorn to the east. They seemed...


                      No mention of singular here.
                      The vowel changes are consistent with the rules given for pluralization of nouns - assuming you trust an "encyclopedia" anybody can edit.

                      It is entirely possible that both Craban is the singular of Crebain and that Craban was never used in a work by Tolkien.
                      Currently turning (Angband) Japanese.

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                      • Atarlost
                        Swordsman
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 441

                        #12
                        Well, according to this Norwegian philologist both ai and a pluralise to ai. Since we don't have a wordlist for third age Sindarin and don't have any candidates for root words in the older writings that are published the Wikipedia consensus really is the best we've got. Borrowing from proto-germanic would certainly be in charachter for Tolkein, but this is usually done for human languages. It may not be elven at all in which case we can't even guess what the singular form is.

                        We'll just have to hope Christopher Tolkein eventually releases the philological writings and an answer turns up therein.
                        One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to bind them.
                        One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness interrupt the movie.

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                        • Nick
                          Vanilla maintainer
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9637

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Atarlost
                          We'll just have to hope Christopher Tolkein eventually releases the philological writings and an answer turns up therein.
                          Or we could guess.
                          One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                          In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                          • The Sparrow
                            Scout
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 38

                            #14
                            Originally posted by pav
                            And you trust an "encyclopedia" anyone can edit? Really?
                            Yes, yes I do

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                            • pav
                              Administrator
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 793

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Sparrow
                              Don't trust everything C|NET hive mind spits out...



                              See the elves and everything! http://angband.oook.cz

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