[Un] Unangband 0.6.2-gold released

[bonzo]

I am just curious: Are there also monsters living in water, like in zangband? I didn't see them yet.

I ran across some Water Orcs/Goblins during my last game. They seemed to pop out of the water itself. I believe it was in the Misty Mts. Nasty little buggers too.

[Bandobras]

I ran across some Water Orcs/Goblins during my last game. They seemed to pop out of the water itself. I believe it was in the Misty Mts. Nasty little buggers too.

Oh, now I remember, there are some water monsters in the sense they can hide in water (and possibly are not slowed even in deep water?). But they are not limited to water. I'm not sure about real fish...

[thorgot]

Is it so grave, really? Is it the one you fixed while rebalancing for 60 DL? If so, it can't be backported easily...

Should I continue with this game (will all the uniques have this problem), compile from svn and load this game, or compile and restart?

[Bandobras]

The dev version is not quite playable yet, and won't be for some time. A fixed gold is in the works, but it doesn't have the HP fix. I thought this is rather a minor imbalance, not a grave bug, but I've not seen the code in question...

Edit: At least I though it's been here for a long time. So, just dive faster if the initial uniques are weak.

[thorgot]

The dev version is not quite playable yet, and won't be for some time. A fixed gold is in the works, but it doesn't have the HP fix. I thought this is rather a minor imbalance, not a grave bug, but I've not seen the code in question...

Edit: At least I though it's been here for a long time. So, just dive faster if the initial uniques are weak.

I don't remember Nar taking a single lightning beam II, or the trolls each dying to a single torch.

But your plan sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially since the next guardian casts paralyze. Go go go!

[thorgot]

I seem to remember being unable to read books like Tricks and Bushcraft, but suddenly I can. Bug, was it always this way, is this a perk for hobbits? Was this what I was missing out on for choosing Wizardry as my specialty? If so, I feel very silly.

[andrewdoull]

Is it so grave, really? Is it the one you fixed while rebalancing for 60 DL? If so, it can't be backported easily...

It's not worth it. Basically, monsters with higher ac had fewer hit points than I intended.

Andrew

[andrewdoull]

I seem to remember being unable to read books like Tricks and Bushcraft, but suddenly I can. Bug, was it always this way, is this a perk for hobbits? Was this what I was missing out on for choosing Wizardry as my specialty? If so, I feel very silly.

It is based on whether or not you picked a speciality.

Andrew

[lenochware]

More like it. With charges? Or like rods with charging?

Well, personally, I would like altairs working like wands with charges.

Btw. I don't see many differences between staff and wand in angband (although in unagband I saw few staves useful as weapons). I have idea of staff as main tool for wizards (as sword and bow for wariors) - with possibility activate it, do magical effects if mage hit something with staff, memorize selected spells into staff (with runes?), easy enchanting of the staff, more charges than wand....


With multiple, easily accessed dungeons, most very short (or will get shorter soon) and with depth limited to 60 I don't think it's so much fun as in O or other variants.

Yes, that's right.


Good idea with the fishing. But you also occasionaly get corpses of killed water monsters (fishes?), so it's a bit a duplicate feature.

Ah, you can get things from water already? Great! (I was thinking about edible fishes - ie. food, but spreading water-related things into water (as corpses of water monsters) is better.)

[andrewdoull]

More like it. With charges? Or like rods with charging?

Well, personally, I would like altairs working like wands with charges.

Not going to happen. Altars are intended for priests to learn spells from.

That is, there is nothing stopping another 'wand-like' feature e.g. thrones.

Andrew

[lenochware]

Not going to happen. Altars are intended for priests to learn spells from. That is, there is nothing stopping another 'wand-like' feature e.g. thrones.
Andrew

I see. Yes, or magic circles or so..

btw. New terrain features are really great! I cooked meat on burning floor. )

[Arralen]

Sleeping monsters and shallow pits ..

I have reverted back to "unangband-062-beta2", but I haven't seen anything that the following behaviour has been changed:


High-Elf Warrior Mage (Style: unarmed ... don't ask ) .. moves through a tunnel of "shallow pits". At the end of the tunnel, she casts "Detect Monsters" .. and detects a sleeping ranger 2 squares behind her !

Obviously, she just moved through the square were the ranger is sleeping and didn't notice him .. and I moved her back and forth right over the ranger several time and nothing happened. Zapped a _Light over his head, still nothing !! After running around and smashing some novice shaman for some time, the range awoke and blinked away ... .
Looks like any sleeping monster is completely hidden in shallow pits for unlimited time.

And the same seems to be true for items that are dropped into shallow pits: hidden and therefore gone foreever, as items tend not to wake up no matter how long you jump up and down next to them ...

[Bandobras]

High-Elf Warrior Mage (Style: unarmed ... don't ask )

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.. moves through a tunnel of "shallow pits". At the end of the tunnel, she casts "Detect Monsters" .. and detects a sleeping ranger 2 squares behind her !

Obviously, she just moved through the square were the ranger is sleeping and didn't notice him .. and I moved her back and forth right over the ranger several time and nothing happened. Zapped a _Light over his head, still nothing !!

He is hidden in the pit, so the light can't reach him. Depending on the monster they may hide in various terrain, some trolls in rock, some monsters in water, many (all?) monsters in pits. When they are hidden, the only way I figured I can reach them is with '+ direction'.

On more thing I've discovered recently is I can run over monsters on any terrain (at least sleeping ones?) if I 'run direction' over them, instead of 'move direction'. Quite handy in some tactical situations, if I only remembered to use it...

And the same seems to be true for items that are dropped into shallow pits: hidden and therefore gone foreever, as items tend not to wake up no matter how long you jump up and down next to them ...

I have no clue. They can be found nearby in case of water and tall grass. Perhaps they teleport to somewhere on the level from the pits? I don't know the particular code.

[Big Al]

On more thing I've discovered recently is I can run over monsters on any terrain (at least sleeping ones?) if I 'run direction' over them, instead of 'move direction'. Quite handy in some tactical situations, if I only remembered to use it...

I use this a lot, though mostly by accident. It can be kind of painful if I'm fighting a bunch of monsters in a doorway, and accidentally push through one of them, and find myself surrounded.

He is hidden in the pit, so the light can't reach him. Depending on the monster they may hide in various terrain, some trolls in rock, some monsters in water, many (all?) monsters in pits. When they are hidden, the only way I figured I can reach them is with '+ direction'.

I'll have to try that "+ direction" trick - in a previous game, I was trying to fight the Master of Earth, but he was hidden in some mud, so I couldn't attack him. And because he's so sluggish, he just wouldn't ever wake up, no matter what I did. I had to just leave him there sleeping in the end.

[Bandobras]

that "+ direction" trick

It's the same trick as when you want to hit an invisible monster with melee in V, but not to advance in that direction in case you misjudged the location of the monster (in that case it says about swinging around in at the empty air or some such). I even think that invisible monsters are hidden in air and in walls in exactly the same way that the ranger in the pit or Stone Trolls in stony floor. If I'm right, you run over any sleeping invisible monsters and perhaps even over non-sleeping ones if you don't see them or if they lurk instead of emerging from hiding (if there is such a distinction in any other case than when sleeping).