Sangband 1.0.1's new thread

[camlost]

This is HUGELY my experience - it's also why I can't play without a melee skill. The only way I can kill the dogs is to pump all my first skill points into my weapon or martial art skill, to get it to 9/10/11 before I fight the first dog. I can never defeat either dog with a caster because I run out of mana, and because my skill points have gone into magic I have no skill with a weapon! So I really don't understand at all how you can start a caster with no melee (or missile) skills.

My point about the wose wasn't that 11 is a terribly high casting skill per se, but that they are supposed to be the ultimate druid race. Yet as things stand they make far less attractive druids than elves, or even hobbits. I'd expect them to have 9 casting and/or 7 nature, and more expensive skills elsewhere.

IMO every race should have a path for which it is better suited than any other race (hobbit burglar, DE necro, giant wrestler etc.) - that doesn't mean that's the only viable build for that race, but it's the obvious one, and others are more challenging. Ideally the scoring mechanism would reward these non-obvious builds, but one thing at a time.

You can take out the dogs with 2-4 magic missiles, or with throwing weapons pretty easily if you increase those. Probably missile weapons also.

The races are in flux, I just put some stuff on paper as a place to start from. I'll definitely consider moving woses to a more specialist martial druid role.

[Magnate]

You can take out the dogs with 2-4 magic missiles, or with throwing weapons pretty easily if you increase those. Probably missile weapons also.

Throwing and missiles I grant - but how do you get off 4 magic missiles without resting? You presumably have to be pretty lucky for the second to make the dog flee for long enough for you to recover mana but not so long that you can't kill it with the next one or two ...

I'll have to try it, but I suspect my ratio of characters killed by / surviving the dogs will go up a bit ...

If you gave oil flasks BRAND_FIRE that would enable those running out of mana to have a chance of a lucky hit. We did that in V and the number of complaints about the dogs has dropped noticeably!

[buzzkill]

So I really don't understand at all how you can start a caster with no melee (or missile) skills.

Isn't that precisely why they become casters in the first place. Big fat brains and no physical prowess. The Ancient Geeks as it were.

[Derakon]

Big fat brains and no physical prowess. The Ancient Geeks as it were.

There's a big difference between, say, Socrates and Pheidippides. Plenty of Greeks were in phenomenal shape. They'd have to be to keep fighting all those wars...

[camlost]

Throwing and missiles I grant - but how do you get off 4 magic missiles without resting? You presumably have to be pretty lucky for the second to make the dog flee for long enough for you to recover mana but not so long that you can't kill it with the next one or two ...

I'll have to try it, but I suspect my ratio of characters killed by / surviving the dogs will go up a bit ...

If you gave oil flasks BRAND_FIRE that would enable those running out of mana to have a chance of a lucky hit. We did that in V and the number of complaints about the dogs has dropped noticeably!

I generally pump mana to ~6 which gives 6 mana commonly before dropping down to DL2. I waited for 8 (skill ~9) frequently enough with the DE as their melee sucks. I don't increase spellcasting until I have at least 6 mana, as I don't usually need the other spells much, and I need the mana a lot. Waiting to recover mana doesn't work. The dogs heal most of the way back, but variance is high in the spell, so often you can kill them from 5 stars with a lucky roll. Or hit them once, let them melee, and when they flee, kill them with the last MM. I lose as many characters to novice warriors as to the dogs.

I just tested flasks of oil. The only one to hit with skill ~5 knocked off around 3 stars, so 3 hits should be enough. I wonder if untrained characters can hit with oil flasks.

[Bostock]

This is HUGELY my experience - it's also why I can't play without a melee skill. The only way I can kill the dogs is to pump all my first skill points into my weapon or martial art skill, to get it to 9/10/11 before I fight the first dog. I can never defeat either dog with a caster because I run out of mana, and because my skill points have gone into magic I have no skill with a weapon! So I really don't understand at all how you can start a caster with no melee (or missile) skills.

1. Buy wand of Spark, book, all the rest into phase door and CLW. Lantern from General Store optional.
2. While on D:1, bring MP up to 6, or 8 if being cautious.
3. Put all the rest into school skill unless in a crisis - then raise Devices instead to help solve it.
4. D:2 profit!
5. Kill Morgoth.

[NotMorgoth]

Something I've been thinking about for a while (not related to the dog issue: )

For almost every skill in Sangband, there is one or more races that are particularly good in that skill;

The exception is crossbows: no race has a cost of less than 10, and of those that do have 10, half orcs, half trolls and dwarves are generally bad with missiles, and dunedain and high elves are good with missiles but are 'easy' races.

So the question is, should there be a race that excels with crossbows, and if so, which one? The answer to the first might be no, if crossbows are already powerful enough in the hands of an average race.

As for the second question, the most likely answer I can think of is gnomes; they are already possibly the best crossbowmen (outside the easy races) because they combine average cost/aptitude with a dex bonus, so maybe their skill with devices should extend to mechanical devices as well as magical ones. This would also help differentiate them from dark elves, who have many similar abilities.

[hitchi]

1241 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only/src > make -fMakefile.sdl install
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o attack.o attack.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o birth.o birth.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cave.o cave.c
cave.c: In function 'update_view':
cave.c:3254:7: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of '&'
cave.c: In function 'project_path':
cave.c:3981:8: warning: array subscript is below array bounds
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd1.o cmd1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd2.o cmd2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd3.o cmd3.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd4.o cmd4.c
cmd4.c: In function 'do_cmd_options_aux':
cmd4.c:1662:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'calc_max_power'
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd5.o cmd5.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o cmd6.o cmd6.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o dungeon.o dungeon.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o effects.o effects.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o files.o files.c
files.c: In function 'file_character_options':
files.c:3423:2: warning: implicit declaration of function 'calc_max_power'
files.c:3425:3: warning: too many arguments for format
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o generate.o generate.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o history.o history.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o info.o info.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o init1.o init1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o init2.o init2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o loadsave.o loadsave.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o monattk.o monattk.c
monattk.c: In function 'make_attack_ranged':
monattk.c:2815:24: warning: array subscript is below array bounds
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o monmove.o monmove.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o monster1.o monster1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o monster2.o monster2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o obj_make.o obj_make.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o object1.o object1.c
object1.c: In function 'get_item':
object1.c:4186:6: warning: unused variable 'first_option'
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o object2.o object2.c
object2.c: In function 'get_obj_num':
object2.c:838:9: warning: unused variable 'new_index'
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o quest.o quest.c
quest.c:27:13: warning: 'inn_quests' defined but not used
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o randart.o randart.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o skills.o skills.c
skills.c: In function 'check_for_new_talent':
skills.c:339:9: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o spells1.o spells1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o spells2.o spells2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o spells3.o spells3.c
spells3.c: In function 'learn_about_wearable':
spells3.c:3752:7: warning: unused variable 'sense_it'
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o store.o store.c
store.c: In function 'store_process_command':
store.c:3787:20: warning: unused variable 'invest'
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o tables.o tables.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o talents.o talents.c
talents.c: In function 'do_talent':
talents.c:1187:10: warning: unused variable 'stop'
talents.c:1185:18: warning: unused variable 'o_ptr'
talents.c:1184:19: warning: unused variable 'm_ptr'
talents.c:1274:22: warning: unused variable 'bonus'
talents.c:1274:14: warning: unused variable 'chance'
talents.c:1274:9: warning: unused variable 'dam'
talents.c: In function 'do_cmd_talents':
talents.c:1576:6: warning: unused variable 'count'
talents.c: In function 'do_talent':
talents.c:378:6: warning: 'talent_skill' may be used uninitialized in this function
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o traps.o traps.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o util.o util.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o main-sdl.o main-sdl.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o intrface.o intrface.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o variable.o variable.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o wizard1.o wizard1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o wizard2.o wizard2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o xtra1.o xtra1.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o xtra2.o xtra2.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-file.o z-file.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-form.o z-form.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-rand.o z-rand.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-term.o z-term.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-util.o z-util.c
gcc -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL   -c -o z-virt.o z-virt.c
gcc -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -pipe -s -O2 -D"USE_SDL" -D"HAVE_MKSTEMP" -I/usr/include/SDL -o sangband attack.o birth.o cave.o cmd1.o cmd2.o cmd3.o cmd4.o cmd5.o cmd6.o dungeon.o effects.o files.o generate.o history.o info.o init1.o init2.o loadsave.o monattk.o monmove.o monster1.o monster2.o obj_make.o object1.o object2.o quest.o randart.o skills.o spells1.o spells2.o spells3.o store.o tables.o talents.o traps.o util.o main-sdl.o intrface.o variable.o wizard1.o wizard2.o xtra1.o xtra2.o z-file.o z-form.o z-rand.o z-term.o z-util.o z-virt.o  -lSDL_ttf -lSDL_mixer -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -lSDL -lpthread
cp sangband ..
1243 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only/src > cd ..
1243 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only > ./sangband 
Segmentation fault

Hellow, i'm not able to run sangband yet; i'm not filing a bug report because something tells me the problem is on my side.Regardless, i need some help.My compile log is above.I'm using the latest stable SDL(1.2.14); SDL_image(1.2.10); SDL_ttf(2.0.10); SDL_mixer(1.2.11); SDL_sound(1.0.3) .

Could you tell me the SDL versions you have compiled it against?

Moving along, ncurses doesn't do it for me either:

1257 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only/src > make -fMakefile.std install
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o main.o main.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o main-gcu.o main-gcu.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o attack.o attack.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o birth.o birth.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cave.o cave.c
cave.c: In function 'update_view':
cave.c:3254:7: warning: suggest parentheses around comparison in operand of '&'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd1.o cmd1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd2.o cmd2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd3.o cmd3.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd4.o cmd4.c
cmd4.c: In function 'do_cmd_options_aux':
cmd4.c:1662:5: warning: implicit declaration of function 'calc_max_power'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd5.o cmd5.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o cmd6.o cmd6.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o dungeon.o dungeon.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o effects.o effects.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o files.o files.c
files.c: In function 'file_character_options':
files.c:3423:2: warning: implicit declaration of function 'calc_max_power'
files.c:3425:3: warning: too many arguments for format
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o generate.o generate.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o history.o history.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o info.o info.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o init1.o init1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o init2.o init2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o loadsave.o loadsave.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o monmove.o monmove.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o monattk.o monattk.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o monster1.o monster1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o monster2.o monster2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o obj_make.o obj_make.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o object1.o object1.c
object1.c: In function 'get_item':
object1.c:4186:6: warning: unused variable 'first_option'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o object2.o object2.c
object2.c: In function 'get_obj_num':
object2.c:838:9: warning: unused variable 'new_index'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o quest.o quest.c
quest.c:27:13: warning: 'inn_quests' defined but not used
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o randart.o randart.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o skills.o skills.c
skills.c: In function 'check_for_new_talent':
skills.c:339:9: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o spells1.o spells1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o spells2.o spells2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o spells3.o spells3.c
spells3.c: In function 'learn_about_wearable':
spells3.c:3752:7: warning: unused variable 'sense_it'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o store.o store.c
store.c: In function 'store_process_command':
store.c:3787:20: warning: unused variable 'invest'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o tables.o tables.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o talents.o talents.c
talents.c: In function 'do_talent':
talents.c:1187:10: warning: unused variable 'stop'
talents.c:1185:18: warning: unused variable 'o_ptr'
talents.c:1184:19: warning: unused variable 'm_ptr'
talents.c:1274:22: warning: unused variable 'bonus'
talents.c:1274:14: warning: unused variable 'chance'
talents.c:1274:9: warning: unused variable 'dam'
talents.c: In function 'do_cmd_talents':
talents.c:1576:6: warning: unused variable 'count'
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o traps.o traps.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o util.o util.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o variable.o variable.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o wizard1.o wizard1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o wizard2.o wizard2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o xtra1.o xtra1.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o xtra2.o xtra2.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-term.o z-term.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-rand.o z-rand.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-form.o z-form.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-virt.o z-virt.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-util.o z-util.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP   -c -o z-file.o z-file.c
gcc -I/usr/include/ncurses -Wall -D"USE_GCU" -D"USE_NCURSES" -DHAVE_MKSTEMP  -o sangband main.o main-gcu.o attack.o birth.o cave.o cmd1.o cmd2.o cmd3.o cmd4.o cmd5.o cmd6.o dungeon.o effects.o files.o generate.o history.o info.o init1.o init2.o loadsave.o monmove.o monattk.o monster1.o monster2.o obj_make.o object1.o object2.o quest.o randart.o skills.o spells1.o spells2.o spells3.o store.o tables.o talents.o traps.o util.o variable.o wizard1.o wizard2.o xtra1.o xtra2.o z-term.o z-rand.o z-form.o z-virt.o z-util.o z-file.o -lncurses
cp sangband ..
1258 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only/src > cd ..
0103 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only > ./sangband 
0103 berin ~/skills-angband-read-only >

I have ncurses 5.7.If you need mor information, please say so, any guess is a good guess; my distro is Lunar Linux, i can't think of more information to give right now beacause i had a few glasses of wine!!!Feel free to remind me.


PS:I have being following this thread and your entusiasm is contagious, i am a rogue like noob, your in game knowledge is superior.

[hitchi]

Sorry, it seems my post is badly formatted...

[camlost]

Sorry, it seems my post is badly formatted...

Are you compiling the SVN version? Or an older version? I don't think I've introduced any errors with SDL, but who knows?

r136 should be stable. Try 'svn update -r 136' and try compiling again. Let me know if that helps, though I'm guessing not. I don't recall which SDL versions I've had success using, and I'm not logged into Linux right now.

As for the second question, the most likely answer I can think of is gnomes; they are already possibly the best crossbowmen (outside the easy races) because they combine average cost/aptitude with a dex bonus, so maybe their skill with devices should extend to mechanical devices as well as magical ones.

Done.

[hitchi]

I was trying r197; r136 also segfaults here(both SDL and curses).

[camlost]

I'm using the latest stable SDL(1.2.14); SDL_image(1.2.10); SDL_ttf(2.0.10); SDL_mixer(1.2.11); SDL_sound(1.0.3) .

I compile on Linux (Ubuntu 10.04) using (according to package manager):
* libsdl1.2-dev version 1.2.14-4ubuntu1.1
* libsdl-image1.2 version 1.2.10-1
* libsdl-ttf2.0-0 version 2.0.9-1build1
* libsdl-mixer1.2-dev version 1.2.8-6build1
* libsdl-sound1.2 version 1.0.3-3build1

I am not getting a segfault on run.

As for guesses, I don't have any. I didn't do the rewrite to SDL (assuming that is a problem). Perhaps some debugger output would suggest a place to start looking into the problem?

[hitchi]

Thanks for the tip camlost; i used gdb to debug it and found out it's glibc acting up.

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0xb77363f7 in internal_getent () from /lib/libnss_files.so.2

I will try recompiling glibc, thanks again.

[camlost]

Thanks for the tip camlost; i used gdb to debug it and found out it's glibc acting up.

I will try recompiling glibc, thanks again.

It's possible that the fault is in S's code. If recompiling glibc doesn't fix it and you can give me a full stack trace, I'll look into the problem. You can email it to me at middendorfproject@gmail.com

[camlost]

Did anyone know that you can loot traps in S? I mean, when you disarm them, you get items? It was news to me last night, but it requires a very high disarm skill. I've made it more accessible in SVN.