Angband 4.2.1

[PowerWyrm]

No idea if this was noticed from another thread, but I'll repost it here:

- get two stacks of identical items in the inventory (this is very easy to attain with scrolls of Phase Door): for example, a) 40 scrolls of Phase Door and b) 10 scrolls of Phase Door
- read one scroll from pile a)
- result: message "You have 39 scrolls of phase door (a)" but when you look at your inventory, you have in fact a) 40 scrolls of Phase Door and b) 9 scrolls of Phase Door
- repeating the operation depletes stack b) even if you read from stack a)

I suppose it's because pack is reordered so the 39+10 scrolls become 40+9, but it feels like you read from wrong pile.

[Pete Mack]

Same artifact dropped twice...actually makes sense for weapons with THROWING flag.... Especially if Nick brings back WELL_BALANCED flag as well. Those would be a real bonus in the quiver, in the early game. That axe would do 104 dam/turn thrown. And thrown weapons should get strength bonus as well. (As should longbow and sling, for that matter.)

[DavidMedley]

Effects with dice:x turns are actually lasting (x-1) turns, which means trying to set an effect with dice:1 actually does nothing. This is probably the reason why some temporary effects like stun disappear immediately since I think they are supposed to last one turn.

To fix this, I think decrease_timeouts() should be called before process_pending_commands() and not after so a duration of one turn actually lasts one turn.

Edit: this seems to work fine in PWMAngband after the change.

What if you only want it to last for the player's current turn?

[DavidMedley]

Have the rules for debuffing sleeping monsters changed? I'm in favor of this, at least for some effects, but when I'm slowing a sleeping monster it now wakes *without telling me*.

[malcontent]

Same artifact dropped twice...actually makes sense for weapons with THROWING flag.... Especially if Nick brings back WELL_BALANCED flag as well. Those would be a real bonus in the quiver, in the early game. That axe would do 104 dam/turn thrown. And thrown weapons should get strength bonus as well. (As should longbow and sling, for that matter.)

In this case I had the same artifact simultaneously at home and in my pack.

[malcontent]

Thrown damage

Another thing I've been wondering about with 4.2.1...

I like having the thrown damage shown when inspecting an item. However, my feeling is that the actual damage done is regularly exceeding the advertised amount of damage. No concrete examples, but now that I've mentioned it I'll see if I can duplicate it.

[malcontent]

Another thing I've been wondering about with 4.2.1...

I like having the thrown damage shown when inspecting an item. However, my feeling is that the actual damage done is regularly exceeding the advertised amount of damage. No concrete examples, but now that I've mentioned it I'll see if I can duplicate it.

Starting a new game - HalfTroll Warrior - Average thrown damage for the dagger is 2.5.

I've throw it a 6 people/animals in town, killing all of them, with damages of:

9
12
12
6
6
9

If I was attacking normally with it I would have 3.4 blows per round. It seems like the damage calculation for throwing might be multiplying thrown damage by 3.4 .

[PowerWyrm]

What if you only want it to last for the player's current turn?

You need to set "dice:2". Currently, setting "dice:1" will trigger the effect and immediately decrease the turn count, setting it to zero and ending the effect without having it last a turn.

[DavidMedley]

Oh. That does sound like undesirable behavior.

[lea2501]

Hi! i was playing a necromancer and noticed that in 4.2.1 the "Miasma" spell replaced the "Poison cloud" i think the name was, but that was usable with a poison resistance. This allucinating effect, how it's resistable? because i think i can not use spells if i got Allucination, right?

[Estragon]

Hi! i was playing a necromancer and noticed that in 4.2.1 the "Miasma" spell replaced the "Poison cloud" i think the name was, but that was usable with a poison resistance. This allucinating effect, how it's resistable? because i think i can not use spells if i got Allucination, right?

Chaos resistance will prevent adverse effects from miasma

[lea2501]

Another new thing i noticed just now playing 4.2.1 is this "Moves +1" in the status bar at the botton, what does it means? obviously its related to my "+1 movement speed" that one equipment provides, but how its the relationship with a +2 speed, etc? its even the same?

[DavidMedley]

Moves +1 is double footspeed, moves +2 is triple. Is stacks fully with overall speed, so if you are triple speed in both you're moving at 9x total, for example.

[lea2501]

Moves +1 is double footspeed, moves +2 is triple. Is stacks fully with overall speed, so if you are triple speed in both you're moving at 9x total, for example.

where i can read in detail about speed and the multiplier stuff? its very confusing for me really and i fail to understand the concept of speed like +2 and the Nx one

[Sideways]

FrogComposband has a speed help, most of it is applicable to V too, though not everything is (in particular, V does not have energy randomness).

The short short version is that +0 is 1.0x, between -3 (0.7x) and +26 (3.6x) every +1 to speed means another +0.1x to the multiplier and outside that range speed follows a weird table there's no need to worry about too much because @ will spend most of its life in the linear range. (Technically, speed always follows a weird table, that table just happens to be linear from -3 to +26.) +70 (4.9x) is the highest speed possible, but you don't need to get anywhere near it.

The returns from adding more speed are diminishing for two reasons; firstly, going from +0/1.0x to +10/2.0x doubles your speed but going from +10/2.0x to +20/3.0x is only a 50% increase; secondly, the table itself gives diminishing returns after +26, so +30 is only 3.8x and not 4.0x. (If you want to look at the actual table for clarity, you can see it here; it's also given in the FrogComposband help.)

Regular speed applies to everything (so doubling your speed effectively also doubles your damage output, because you can deal the same amount of damage in half the time). Basically, at 2x speed, you get twice as many turns compared to monsters as you would at 1x speed and four times as many as you would at 0.5x speed. Movement speed is its own thing that only applies to movement, and "Moves +1" cannot be translated to +1 speed, +10 speed or +anything speed, it just means "2 moves/turn" (which really means "energy consumption for walking moves is divided by 2"...). Movement speed is more comparable to things like extra shots - think of 2 shots/turn.

The short short short version is more speed is better.