Class/magic feature branch

[Derakon]

What does this mean? Morgoth won't summon if you fight him while he's alone? Huh?

This is specifically referring to a paladin ability to force single combat with a foe, where neither can escape until one is dead. Since summoning doesn't work anyway, the foe now won't waste turns on trying it.

[Nick]

Any ETA of the lore.txt / monster.txt fix?

I knew there was something I was forgetting. Do you know if his is specific to this branch, or whether it is in 4.1.2?

EDIT: OK, looks like it's only this branch, I have a fix, and it will be in the next update.

[jevansau]

Looks like the rogue detect stairs is still wrong. Just needs the dice line changed to an effect line.

[Nick]

Looks like the rogue detect stairs is still wrong. Just needs the dice line changed to an effect line.

Thanks for the reminder.

[Nick]

OK, new builds for Windows and macOS now up on the build page - source zipfile is here. Copying monster.txt to lore.txt now works again, and Rogue detect stairs is fixed.

[PowerWyrm]

This is specifically referring to a paladin ability to force single combat with a foe, where neither can escape until one is dead. Since summoning doesn't work anyway, the foe now won't waste turns on trying it.

This basically means Maeglin is screwed if challenged by a Paladin right? Or worse, Qzzllqzzulp...

[mrfy]

Trying out the new Blackguard class. Early on, I get in a hand-to-hand with Snagas and get the messages:

You get in a shield bash!
You stumble!
You get in a shield bash!
You miss the Snaga.
The Snaga is stunned.

So I'm hitting him with my Wicker Shield instead of primary weapon when this happens?

[Nick]

Trying out the new Blackguard class. Early on, I get in a hand-to-hand with Snagas and get the messages:

You get in a shield bash!
You stumble!
You get in a shield bash!
You miss the Snaga.
The Snaga is stunned.

So I'm hitting him with my Wicker Shield instead of primary weapon when this happens?

Blackguards get a chance to bash with their shield sometimes, before they hit with their weapon. Sometimes they then stumble, and get less blows.

The amount of damage you inflict with a shield bash is based on the dice for your shield (1d1), with a multiplier that's based on player weight (including gear), DEX, player level, and shield weight. Good bashes can confuse or stun.

This is all taken from shield bashes in O, modified a bit.

[mrfy]

Blackguards get a chance to bash with their shield sometimes, before they hit with their weapon. Sometimes they then stumble, and get less blows.

The amount of damage you inflict with a shield bash is based on the dice for your shield (1d1), with a multiplier that's based on player weight (including gear), DEX, player level, and shield weight. Good bashes can confuse or stun.

This is all taken from shield bashes in O, modified a bit.

Thanks. It adds a new dimension to melee, which I like so far.

It wasn't entirely clear that the "You get in a shield bash!" generated damage, since it didn't report how much. I do have the Show damage player deals to monsters option on.

[Nick]

It wasn't entirely clear that the "You get in a shield bash!" generated damage, since it didn't report how much. I do have the Show damage player deals to monsters option on.

OK, that's something for me to add.

[Thraalbee]

Just finished an ironman game as Blackguard. Really fun class but also the easiest I've tried. Won as ironman on the first attempt.
However, I don't find the class much overpowered except for the stunning effect on the shield bash. Except Cantoras and a few more, most ultra high level uniques were stunned all of the fight and thus much easier to kill than for a fighter. Even Morgoth was stunned from early on to the end.

The bloodthirst spell (or whatever it is called) was fun. Didn't use it that much, but I really like it!

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=21519

[Nick]

Just finished an ironman game as Blackguard. Really fun class but also the easiest I've tried. Won as ironman on the first attempt.
However, I don't find the class much overpowered except for the stunning effect on the shield bash. Except Cantoras and a few more, most ultra high level uniques were stunned all of the fight and thus much easier to kill than for a fighter. Even Morgoth was stunned from early on to the end.

The bloodthirst spell (or whatever it is called) was fun. Didn't use it that much, but I really like it!

Thanks, that is helpful. I kind of thought it would probably be OP - I didn't think very hard about precise balance - but I hadn't figured the shield bashing as the worst offender.

[Thraalbee]

Forgot to tell this - it is so gratifying to meet gmm's and stun them and see the blue stars all the fight!

[Ighalli]

Just encountered an inventory bug in aa672ce. The Ring of Flames was not ignored, but was ignored and auto dropped when I picked up the weapon Farmer Maggot dropped. When I hit 'K' and grabbed the ring again, it was once again not marked as {ignore}.


You have slain Farmer Maggot.
You have a Lucerne Hammer (2d5) (+2,+2) (v).
You drop a Ring of Flames [+10] {ignore} (r).
You have no more Rings of Flames [+10] {ignore} (r).
You have a Ring of Flames [+10] (r).

Edit: attached the save right after this happened.

[Thraalbee]

For Blackguard, three suggestions

1) rather than nerf melee, how about starting at -1 for regen (as when using e.g. =OpenWounds) and with regen item only get normal regen (same as other characters default)
2) reduce chance to stun high level monsters and uniques
3) at level 35 or 40, permanent Hero and Berserk. As it is now you can cycle through your mana a few times and cast them. They will stay a long time...
[edit] 4) Powerful blow now works as poor man's stone-to-mud. The thrown monster will break one wall tile unless it is permanent. Not sure this is reasonable.