Angband 4.1.2

[Derakon]

Hi there,

i switched back to the old speed display. If you are at speed 17 and see instead x2.7 you think you are more than double as fast as the monsters. That is not true for monsters who move quickly or faster. That tricks you (at least me) into playing to risky. Does it make sense to show speed multiplier compared to the fastest monster?

Speed always has to be in reference to some "standard speed", which might as well be normal speed. Doesn't the option show a multiplier in monster memory as well? If you're at 2.7x and the monster's at 3x then you should have a good idea of your relative speeds.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Speed always has to be in reference to some "standard speed", which might as well be normal speed. Doesn't the option show a multiplier in monster memory as well? If you're at 2.7x and the monster's at 3x then you should have a good idea of your relative speeds.

It doesn't, but I did make a request. Don't know if it slipped through the cracks. No one commented on it, one way or another. http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthr...401#post126401

[Sideways]

Thanks for all the great continued work on the game! My first warrior victory came at 23:58 Christmas night, was a fresh char in 4.1.2, so a lucky version!

Mathellin

Nice, congratulations!

[Tibarius]

monster memory ?

Hmm, if i start over with the same save file after a char has died. The monster memory is empty again. I would like that the monster memory builds up with each character i play. What must i do please? Thanks!

Edit: I got problems fighting invis monsters with book#3 reveal monster spell. I cast the spell, i see for example a ghost. I target it, i cast an attack spell - but somehow nothing happens. Anyone experiencing similar problems?

[Derakon]

Edit: I got problems fighting invis monsters with book#3 reveal monster spell. I cast the spell, i see for example a ghost. I target it, i cast an attack spell - but somehow nothing happens. Anyone experiencing similar problems?

If a monster is standing in a wall, then it cannot be touched by spells. Was the ghost in a wall?

[Tibarius]

invis monster

Nope. The ghost was in the middle of a room.

[Ighalli]

Speed in monster memory

It doesn't, but I did make a request. Don't know if it slipped through the cracks. No one commented on it, one way or another. http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthr...401#post126401

I'm starting to change the monster lore to show multiplier speeds. Should we show the speed of the monster relative to the player, or to the normal speed? Could have the character at x2.7 and the monster is x2.0 show as "you move x1.4 faster than this monster" or if the monster is x3.0 "you move x1.1 slower than this monster". This is more intuitive than making the player compare stuff, but on the other hand will change the lore when the player changes their speed.

[Nick]

I'm starting to change the monster lore to show multiplier speeds. Should we show the speed of the monster relative to the player, or to the normal speed? Could have the character at x2.7 and the monster is x2.0 show as "you move x1.4 faster than this monster" or if the monster is x3.0 "you move x1.1 slower than this monster". This is more intuitive than making the player compare stuff, but on the other hand will change the lore when the player changes their speed.

I think showing relative speed is the right thing to do.

[Nick]

Also, thanks!

[Derakon]

I think showing relative speed is the right thing to do.

I think it's more important to show base speed, and a nice-to-have to show relative speed.

[Nick]

I think it's more important to show base speed, and a nice-to-have to show relative speed.

Really? My thinking is that the thing you want to know is who gets to double move who - and relative speed gives you that directly, whereas base speed requires you to look at both player and monster speed and do a comparison.

[Patashu]

Pros and cons:

Showing relative speed gives you the relevant information for THIS run - how likely I am to double move or be double moved by this monster.

Showing absolute speed gives you the relevant information for FUTURE runs - how fast I have to be on those runs to outspeed this monster.

[Derakon]

I'll be honest, most of this is just me having a kneejerk reaction that monster memory shouldn't depend on the player's current state. It bugs me a bit that we color-code elements based on the player's resistances, too. I can't really articulate why.

...oddly, showing the player's chance to hit in the monster memory doesn't bug me though. Maybe that's because of my opinions about hit chance in general.

[kandrc]

How about we just do both?

...moves at 2x normal speed (0.9x your current speed)...

Frankly, for most of us reading this, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference, because we all know how fast everything is already.

[Nick]

How about we just do both?

...moves at 2x normal speed (0.9x your current speed)...

Frankly, for most of us reading this, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference, because we all know how fast everything is already.

Sounds sensible.