Issues on current master

[Sky]

Playing standarts i find cambeleg almost always and fingolfin about 40% of my runs. Because dex tends to max easier on a HE warrior i do often swap to combat for the sauron/morgoth run.

The problem in standart v is that all the gloves are basically the same but slightly better. In randarts, each glove does something different, be it speed, stat boost, activation, or unusual resist.

I very rarely see anything over (+0,+3) for cesti, but the tradeoff is worth it. Also randarts have +dmg on just about everything, and i eveb found a ring of power .. i mean, a BAND of power (+15,+13) +5 spd, two immunities, tons of stat gain, ESP Fa etc..
Puts the one ring to shame.

It does suck when you want to build a ranger and the game hasnt created a single artifact bow and only artifact lanterns for light, but then you find boots +13 spd +3 CON rChaos and everything feels fine.

Didn't Elessar have (+5,+5) originally? And one of the dragon armors too...

[Estie]

Also randarts have +dmg on just about everything

You must be playing an older version; the newest nightly seems to have no damage modifiers at all.

[Sky]

Last week's nightly, but i just started. I did a full run on a build from 2 weeks ago and had attack bonuses on gloves, helmet, cloak, boots, rings. I have seen a +2 dmg on armor as well.

[Estie]

Last week's nightly, but i just started. I did a full run on a build from 2 weeks ago and had attack bonuses on gloves, helmet, cloak, boots, rings. I have seen a +2 dmg on armor as well.

Yes, last weeks nightly seems to have at least some damage bonus - i have a cloak with +7. But +2 is irrelevant - it isnt going to affect your decision whether to use that armor or not. I am probably the one here who cares least about AC, but even I would rather get AC on an armour than +2 damage.

Assuming you have 500 damage/round and 5 attacks, those +2 woul make that 510 dam/round or 2%.
If you fight a boss with 10k HP, the fight takes 20 rounds without that armour bonus and 19,6 rounds with it.
(And since Derakon is bound to read this, I need to point out that yes I am aware there is a nonzero chance of missing. But my point stands :P)

[Estie]

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=42898217308083246203

Game crashed and created a dump file "pile_error.txt".

[Nick]

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=...17308083246203

Game crashed and created a dump file "pile_error.txt".

Thank you. Any idea what you were doing at the time? Also, did you have a randart Ring of Firmament? Because that's unintended.

[Estie]

I was in a GV sorting through stuff on the floor. I did have a ring of Firmament randart. Here is the artifact list:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=78582611986239360212

[Nick]

I was in a GV sorting through stuff on the floor. I did have a ring of Firmament randart. Here is the artifact list:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=...11986239360212

Right, thanks. Am I right in thinking this is not the latest nightly? There have been a lot of new builds recently...

[Sky]

i've seen a few of these:

the Wooden Torch 'Curthil' (+7) <+2> (charging)

what the heck is (+7) ?? damage bonus? hit bonus? swag bonus?

[Estie]

Right, thanks. Am I right in thinking this is not the latest nightly? There have been a lot of new builds recently...

angband-4.0.3-768-gc1d18b2

I am fairly sure it was the latest version when I started the game.

As for artifact torches, maybe make torches not eligible for randart lights ?
The lantern´s radius 2 light is already less then the standarts and radius 1 light is painfull. Also, while I find artifact lights constantly, I never find any torches even though they exist - my last game had 3 of them, no other artifact light, and I never saw an artifact torch. Unless the RNG messes with me, it seems that artifact torches are rare to spawn for some reason - maybe level cutoff ?

Edit: oh and (+7) is short for (+7, +0) and increases accuracy.

[Nick]

angband-4.0.3-768-gc1d18b2

I am fairly sure it was the latest version when I started the game.

Excellent, the Ring of Firmament change (which should improve randart jewellery) and several other changes which could have fixed your crash problem have happened since then.

As for artifact torches, I'm inclined to give them a bit more of a run.

[Estie]

I have noted the amount of artifacts of my winners in my last 11 games and the average is less than 4 (out of 12 slots).

I am always happy to play new versions, but unless that situation changes substantially there really is no point in playing randart games. So I am waiting for a release where that is expected to change before continuing.

[Sky]

Im not sure what you mean. I play randarts only and find them completely adequate, with most runs using 10/12 artis, except 1 RoS and Elven boots. Specifically, lights and amulets tend to be better, and i almost always find weapons better than MoD.

[Huqhox]

Im not sure what you mean. I play randarts only and find them completely adequate, with most runs using 10/12 artis, except 1 RoS and Elven boots. Specifically, lights and amulets tend to be better, and i almost always find weapons better than MoD.

+1 to this. I usually end up with some ego boots for speed as it's not always that a decent speed bonus is given to randart boots, and sometimes a prticular resistance or protections is rare but that's part of the fun

And what the RNG takes away with one roll it gives back with another, it's very rare to not assemble a decent set of randarts

[Estie]

Im not sure what you mean. I play randarts only and find them completely adequate, with most runs using 10/12 artis, except 1 RoS and Elven boots. Specifically, lights and amulets tend to be better, and i almost always find weapons better than MoD.

I didnt mean to say that I dont find artifacts for all slots, I meant that I dont end up using them. For example there are always rings with stats and resists, but my characters prefer speed and damage rings.