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  • t4nk
    Swordsman
    • May 2016
    • 336

    Which subwindows do you use?

    I'm close to implementing additional subwindows and I want to know which subwindows are actually used by the players. For me, the useful subwindows are:
    • messages
    • monster list
    • item list
    • minimap (but not the kind of minimap that currently exists in Angband)

    What about you? Which subwindows do you find useful, and why?
  • takkaria
    Veteran
    • Apr 2007
    • 1951

    #2
    Originally posted by t4nk
    I'm close to implementing additional subwindows and I want to know which subwindows are actually used by the players. For me, the useful subwindows are:
    • messages
    • monster list
    • item list
    • minimap (but not the kind of minimap that currently exists in Angband)

    What about you? Which subwindows do you find useful, and why?
    Object/monster recall, inven/equip
    takkaria whispers something about options. -more-

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    • Ingwe Ingweron
      Veteran
      • Jan 2009
      • 2129

      #3
      I use 5 subwindows (counter-clockwise from bottom left around to the top right side of the main window):
      - messages,
      - monster/object recall,
      - object list,
      - monster list,
      - inventory/equipment
      “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
      ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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      • Derakon
        Prophet
        • Dec 2009
        • 9022

        #4
        Monster recall, monster list, item list, inventory/equipment. I also use a gigantic main window taking up most of my 1920x1080 display.

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        • Estie
          Veteran
          • Apr 2008
          • 2343

          #5
          1. inven/equip
          2. equip/inven (to see charging status at a glance)
          3. monster list
          4. object list
          5. messages (automatically clear ´-more-´ -prompts option is set)

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          • spara
            Adept
            • Nov 2014
            • 235

            #6
            Four subwindows:

            -inven/equip
            -monster recall/object recall
            -monster list
            -item list

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            • Bogatyr
              Knight
              • Feb 2014
              • 525

              #7
              + inventory
              + monster list
              + item list
              + equipment list
              + messages
              + overhead view

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              • Therem Harth
                Knight
                • Jan 2008
                • 926

                #8
                None. I have no idea how people divide their attention between several different windows.

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                • Nick
                  Vanilla maintainer
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9633

                  #9
                  1. equipment
                  2. inventory
                  3. player (basic)
                  4. player (extra)
                  5. messages
                  6. monster list
                  7. object list

                  ... and I would use monster recall and maybe minimap if there were enough subwindows.

                  Incidentally, I don't know what "Display status" is supposed to do, but it currently seems to do nothing.
                  One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                  In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                  • HugoVirtuoso
                    Veteran
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1237

                    #10
                    For me:

                    In PosChengband - I use none
                    In Sil - I use inventory + equipment + monster description + maybe a few others (I don't remember right now since it had been ages since the last time I played Sil)
                    My best try at PosChengband 7.0.0's nightmare-mode on Angband.live:
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwAR0WOphUA

                    If I'm offline I'm probably in the middle of maintaining Gentoo or something-Linux or other.

                    As of February 18th, 2022, my YouTube username is MidgardVirtuoso

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                    • Carnivean
                      Knight
                      • Sep 2013
                      • 527

                      #11
                      1) Inventory
                      2) messages
                      3) monster list
                      4) item list
                      5) monster/object recall

                      Originally posted by Therem Harth
                      None. I have no idea how people divide their attention between several different windows.
                      I have 2 monitors, so I put the game on one, then information screens on the other. If I want to know something I don't have to remember which button to press, it's just there.

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                      • wobbly
                        Prophet
                        • May 2012
                        • 2627

                        #12
                        Equipment
                        Inventory
                        Monster list
                        Object list
                        Monster recall
                        Previous messages

                        Originally posted by Therem Harth
                        None. I have no idea how people divide their attention between several different windows.
                        I don't. It's just quicker to glance across then use the look command if I want to check something.

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                        • t4nk
                          Swordsman
                          • May 2016
                          • 336

                          #13
                          Interesting results so far!
                          Inven/equip and recall subwindows are surprisingly popular.
                          Only one player reported usage of Angband's terrible minimap ("Display overhead view"). No one seems to use the other kind of minimap ("Display map view"). Is that because of the flaws in current implementation, or are minimaps just not that useful when playing Angband? I thinks the former is more likely! But we we'll see...
                          Shockingly, at least one person does use "Display player (basic)" and "Display player (extra)". Some people just have too many monitors, I guess!
                          Apparently, players don't use "Display player (compact)". No wonder - it's the same thing as the sidebar! Likewise, "Display status" is not used much - probably because it never displays anything at all?
                          All in all, good food for thought here!

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                          • Werbaer
                            Adept
                            • Aug 2014
                            • 182

                            #14
                            Messages
                            Equipment
                            Inventory
                            Monster list
                            Object list
                            Monster recall

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                            • Carnivean
                              Knight
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 527

                              #15
                              Originally posted by t4nk
                              Only one player reported usage of Angband's terrible minimap ("Display overhead view"). No one seems to use the other kind of minimap ("Display map view"). Is that because of the flaws in current implementation, or are minimaps just not that useful when playing Angband? I thinks the former is more likely! But we we'll see...
                              I remember trying one of the map views and finding it to be annoying and useless or something like that, and turning it straight back off. I think I'd be open to a better version in the future.

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