Using Level Feelings

[Bimbul]

Interesting.

I just entered DL6 and immediately found a green dragon scale mail.

I'll be interested to see what the level feeling says when it comes...

(Oh and an amulet of wisdom - as a priest this is nice )


[edit] - Superb treasures - I suppose that's accurate on this occasion )

[fph]

Which makes me wonder: is the level feeling calculated based on the content of the level at the time when mr. @ enters it, or at the time when it appears on the screen? Which of the two is the best option?

[Egavactip]

I like level feelings as they currently are and do not wish them to change. The only request I would make would be the ability to toggle on/off the inclusion of spellbooks in the calculations.

[Rowan]

I like level feelings as they currently are and do not wish them to change. The only request I would make would be the ability to toggle on/off the inclusion of spellbooks in the calculations.

Hahaha yes. I'm tired of clearing a level with a great level feeling and finding nothing but Scarabtarices.

[Bimbul]

Naah, although I posted that it was an irony sometimes - so what - the scarabtarice is a good thing- not the games fault that a great lunk of a half-troll warrior came lumbering through
It adds to the flavour

As to toggling - a mage could say the same thing - a dwarven ribbed plate armour is not a good thing - same thing other way around.

Incidentally, you can toggle ignore on spellbooks in the preferences - would this affect level feelings? You could potentiall find - say Scarabtarices - and toggle ignore - then next time you come across it, it would be ignored, scour a 'good' level and find nothing at all - now *that* would be frustrating.

[Rowan]

Scarabtarices - and toggle ignore - then next time you come across it, it would be ignored, scour a 'good' level and find nothing at all - now *that* would be frustrating.

That's exactly what I mean, haha. Great level feeling, spend a couple hours clearing the whole level, find nothing, toggle ignore........ Scarabtarices. >o<

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Ignored items are not ignored for purposes of the calculation of level feelings. I don't agree that items should be selectively toggled to exclude them from the calculation of level feelings. If you get a level with an 8 or 9 treasure feeling, you should be asking, "Why is @ getting that feeling?" You should do likewise if you get a monster level feeling of Omens of Death. Sometimes a dangerous feeling is triggered by monsters that @ can take, sometimes not. Sometimes the treasure feeling is awesome, but for treasures irrelevant to @, sometimes they are quite fabulous. The point is not to take the level feelings at face value.

[Rowan]

Sometimes the treasure feeling is awesome, but for treasures irrelevant to @, sometimes they are quite fabulous. The point is not to take the level feelings at face value.

You're probably right And it's not very common for a great treasure feeling to be only because of one irrelevant item. So it really just causes occasional disappointment rather than spoiling the game in any way.

[Bogatyr]

You're probably right And it's not very common for a great treasure feeling to be only because of one irrelevant item. So it really just causes occasional disappointment rather than spoiling the game in any way.

I just use feelings at face value: that there are OOD monsters/objects on the level. What I do with it, depends on how I'm "feeling" at the time and what I'm doing.

[Timo Pietilä]

Ignored items are not ignored for purposes of the calculation of level feelings. I don't agree that items should be selectively toggled to exclude them from the calculation of level feelings.

Maybe spellbook boosts to that level should be reduced though. If it is mage book then it is worthless for warriors, priests and paladins, and depending of the type probably also for rogue. If it is priest book then it is worthless for warriors, mages, rangers and rogues.

That means that whenever "great" feeling is caused by a spellbook it is quite likely that that is a wrong alarm.

Also if you already have that book it is also likely to be worthless. They are not like RoS or ego-item which change from find to find and there is a probability that it could be better than what you already have.

In short: spellbook value (in terms of level feeling) is quite low.

[Estie]

Maybe spellbook boosts to that level should be reduced though. If it is mage book then it is worthless for warriors, priests and paladins, and depending of the type probably also for rogue. If it is priest book then it is worthless for warriors, mages, rangers and rogues.

That means that whenever "great" feeling is caused by a spellbook it is quite likely that that is a wrong alarm.

Also if you already have that book it is also likely to be worthless. They are not like RoS or ego-item which change from find to find and there is a probability that it could be better than what you already have.

In short: spellbook value (in terms of level feeling) is quite low.

In my opinion, level feeling should tell the player "there is something that doesnt belong here" and not try to attempt to guess at how useful it might be for the character. Finding wrong colour spellbooks and nonmagic mithril plate mails is, in a way, fun.

[fph]

IMHO, it is not even clear that wrongly-coloured spellbooks should appear at all in the game. They are simply objects with no use, like elf skeletons in the old versions.
One could add a check to generate them only if mr. @ can read them.

[Nick]

IMHO, it is not even clear that wrongly-coloured spellbooks should appear at all in the game. They are simply objects with no use, like elf skeletons in the old versions.
One could add a check to generate them only if mr. @ can read them.

They do serve the purpose of advertising other classes, though. Advice to new players tends to be "start with a warrior", and under this scheme they might not even be aware of the existence of spellbooks.

[Timo Pietilä]

They do serve the purpose of advertising other classes, though. Advice to new players tends to be "start with a warrior", and under this scheme they might not even be aware of the existence of spellbooks.

But for level feeling their value should be less than it is. Too many wrong alerts and even if they hit your type chances are that you already have one.

Not completely off from calcs though. If you get Wrath of God at 1000' you should still get very high feeling just because that would be extraordinary even if it would be useless for you.

[Werbaer]

If you get Wrath of God at 1000' you should still get very high feeling just because that would be extraordinary even if it would be useless for you.

And if you play with the "disable selling" option off, then the 15.000 - 30.000 Au you get for it is very valuable at this stage, regardless of class.