Using Level Feelings

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  • Bimbul
    Adept
    • Sep 2015
    • 140

    #31
    Interesting.

    I just entered DL6 and immediately found a green dragon scale mail.

    I'll be interested to see what the level feeling says when it comes...

    (Oh and an amulet of wisdom - as a priest this is nice )


    [edit] - Superb treasures - I suppose that's accurate on this occasion )

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    • fph
      Veteran
      • Apr 2009
      • 1030

      #32
      Which makes me wonder: is the level feeling calculated based on the content of the level at the time when mr. @ enters it, or at the time when it appears on the screen? Which of the two is the best option?
      --
      Dive fast, die young, leave a high-CHA corpse.

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      • Egavactip
        Swordsman
        • Mar 2012
        • 442

        #33
        I like level feelings as they currently are and do not wish them to change. The only request I would make would be the ability to toggle on/off the inclusion of spellbooks in the calculations.

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        • Rowan
          Adept
          • Sep 2014
          • 139

          #34
          Originally posted by Egavactip
          I like level feelings as they currently are and do not wish them to change. The only request I would make would be the ability to toggle on/off the inclusion of spellbooks in the calculations.
          Hahaha yes. I'm tired of clearing a level with a great level feeling and finding nothing but Scarabtarices.

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          • Bimbul
            Adept
            • Sep 2015
            • 140

            #35
            Naah, although I posted that it was an irony sometimes - so what - the scarabtarice is a good thing- not the games fault that a great lunk of a half-troll warrior came lumbering through
            It adds to the flavour

            As to toggling - a mage could say the same thing - a dwarven ribbed plate armour is not a good thing - same thing other way around.

            Incidentally, you can toggle ignore on spellbooks in the preferences - would this affect level feelings? You could potentiall find - say Scarabtarices - and toggle ignore - then next time you come across it, it would be ignored, scour a 'good' level and find nothing at all - now *that* would be frustrating.

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            • Rowan
              Adept
              • Sep 2014
              • 139

              #36
              Originally posted by Bimbul
              Scarabtarices - and toggle ignore - then next time you come across it, it would be ignored, scour a 'good' level and find nothing at all - now *that* would be frustrating.
              That's exactly what I mean, haha. Great level feeling, spend a couple hours clearing the whole level, find nothing, toggle ignore........ Scarabtarices. >o<

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              • Ingwe Ingweron
                Veteran
                • Jan 2009
                • 2129

                #37
                Ignored items are not ignored for purposes of the calculation of level feelings. I don't agree that items should be selectively toggled to exclude them from the calculation of level feelings. If you get a level with an 8 or 9 treasure feeling, you should be asking, "Why is @ getting that feeling?" You should do likewise if you get a monster level feeling of Omens of Death. Sometimes a dangerous feeling is triggered by monsters that @ can take, sometimes not. Sometimes the treasure feeling is awesome, but for treasures irrelevant to @, sometimes they are quite fabulous. The point is not to take the level feelings at face value.
                “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                • Rowan
                  Adept
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 139

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                  Sometimes the treasure feeling is awesome, but for treasures irrelevant to @, sometimes they are quite fabulous. The point is not to take the level feelings at face value.
                  You're probably right And it's not very common for a great treasure feeling to be only because of one irrelevant item. So it really just causes occasional disappointment rather than spoiling the game in any way.

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                  • Bogatyr
                    Knight
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 525

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Rowan
                    You're probably right And it's not very common for a great treasure feeling to be only because of one irrelevant item. So it really just causes occasional disappointment rather than spoiling the game in any way.
                    I just use feelings at face value: that there are OOD monsters/objects on the level. What I do with it, depends on how I'm "feeling" at the time and what I'm doing.

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                    • Timo Pietilä
                      Prophet
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4096

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                      Ignored items are not ignored for purposes of the calculation of level feelings. I don't agree that items should be selectively toggled to exclude them from the calculation of level feelings.
                      Maybe spellbook boosts to that level should be reduced though. If it is mage book then it is worthless for warriors, priests and paladins, and depending of the type probably also for rogue. If it is priest book then it is worthless for warriors, mages, rangers and rogues.

                      That means that whenever "great" feeling is caused by a spellbook it is quite likely that that is a wrong alarm.

                      Also if you already have that book it is also likely to be worthless. They are not like RoS or ego-item which change from find to find and there is a probability that it could be better than what you already have.

                      In short: spellbook value (in terms of level feeling) is quite low.

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                      • Estie
                        Veteran
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 2343

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Timo Pietilä
                        Maybe spellbook boosts to that level should be reduced though. If it is mage book then it is worthless for warriors, priests and paladins, and depending of the type probably also for rogue. If it is priest book then it is worthless for warriors, mages, rangers and rogues.

                        That means that whenever "great" feeling is caused by a spellbook it is quite likely that that is a wrong alarm.

                        Also if you already have that book it is also likely to be worthless. They are not like RoS or ego-item which change from find to find and there is a probability that it could be better than what you already have.

                        In short: spellbook value (in terms of level feeling) is quite low.
                        In my opinion, level feeling should tell the player "there is something that doesnt belong here" and not try to attempt to guess at how useful it might be for the character. Finding wrong colour spellbooks and nonmagic mithril plate mails is, in a way, fun.

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                        • fph
                          Veteran
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1030

                          #42
                          IMHO, it is not even clear that wrongly-coloured spellbooks should appear at all in the game. They are simply objects with no use, like elf skeletons in the old versions.
                          One could add a check to generate them only if mr. @ can read them.
                          --
                          Dive fast, die young, leave a high-CHA corpse.

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9633

                            #43
                            Originally posted by fph
                            IMHO, it is not even clear that wrongly-coloured spellbooks should appear at all in the game. They are simply objects with no use, like elf skeletons in the old versions.
                            One could add a check to generate them only if mr. @ can read them.
                            They do serve the purpose of advertising other classes, though. Advice to new players tends to be "start with a warrior", and under this scheme they might not even be aware of the existence of spellbooks.
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • Timo Pietilä
                              Prophet
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4096

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Nick
                              They do serve the purpose of advertising other classes, though. Advice to new players tends to be "start with a warrior", and under this scheme they might not even be aware of the existence of spellbooks.
                              But for level feeling their value should be less than it is. Too many wrong alerts and even if they hit your type chances are that you already have one.

                              Not completely off from calcs though. If you get Wrath of God at 1000' you should still get very high feeling just because that would be extraordinary even if it would be useless for you.

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                              • Werbaer
                                Adept
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 182

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Timo Pietilä
                                If you get Wrath of God at 1000' you should still get very high feeling just because that would be extraordinary even if it would be useless for you.
                                And if you play with the "disable selling" option off, then the 15.000 - 30.000 Au you get for it is very valuable at this stage, regardless of class.

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