V 3.5 now in feature freeze

[MattB]

My anecdote : Currently at 2050, clvl 30. Phial (750), Elvagil(2050), Glamdring(1550), Gurthang(2050), Trident of Wrath (1100), Paurnen(1350), Thorongil(1350), Arvedui(1650), Hithlomir(1750), Thalketoth(1750)

Wrath at dlvl22, nice!

[Zyphyr]

For what it's worth I have a feeling that something is wrong for weapons specifically. Except Phial, Evenstar, Gorlim and Paurhach all my artifact findings have been weapons, and I have found 11 of those, including Zarcuthra at 1600' (dropped by Boldor) which AFAIK should be rather rare. Evenstar, Gorlim and Paur I found somewhere after 2000', Phial from vault at 1600'.

My anecdote : Currently at 2050, clvl 30. Phial (750), Elvagil(2050), Glamdring(1550), Gurthang(2050), Trident of Wrath (1100), Paurnen(1350), Thorongil(1350), Arvedui(1650), Hithlomir(1750), Thalketoth(1750)

[MattB]

4. No charisma score makes nexus swap much less dangerous. The game has become easier!

But it makes 1-up/1-down potions more perilous.

[Estie]

Played a half troll warrior:

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=14730

1. I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary regarding artifact drop rate (randarts for me as usual), but Maggot gave me a dagger +2 attacks.

2. The poison issue didnt surface (thankfully), mostly because of me diving fast with my dagger and getting the resistance before many encounters with poisonous critters.

3. Monsters breathing chaos crash the game.

4. No charisma score makes nexus swap much less dangerous. The game has become easier!

[Nomad]

I'm in the rather strange situation (for me at least) where I've squelched all non-artifact weapons at dlvl30. Firstly because I'm getting regular artifact weapons and secondly because I can't be bothered IDing all the egos when I've already got Maedhros, Narthanc, Nimthanc, Elvagil, Forasgil and a couple of others. Maybe Funt III has inherited his daddy's luck with artifacts, but I'm beginning to suspect this is not the case.

Meanwhile, I'm still playing randart games and consistently finding no more than one artefact in the first 40 levels. Guess I should try playing standarts for comparison...

Okay, just taking a stab at my first standart game now, and while I'm not getting quite such a rain of artefacts as you seem to be, by 1350' I've managed to find Paurhach, Turmil, Nimloth and the Battle Axe of Balli Stonehand. Definitely seems over-generous compared to the randart games I've been playing. (For what it's worth, though this is only based on a single game, my impression is that I'm also finding correspondingly fewer egos; I'm at 1550' now and I've still yet to come across any ego armour in the dungeon.)

ETA: Well, I finally found some armour of Resistance at 1700', but by that point I already had Arvedui from Khim's drop the level before.

[Timo Pietilä]

Crash bug in 438-gd81b48f. I think it has something to do with chaos vortex, but not sure. I had severe cuts status, grand master mystic nearby and chaos vortex breathed which caused game to crash (shimmering effect & hallucination = crash?)

Win7 64bit if that has any meaning. Could not repeat bug and restart worked nicely.

Lost an hour of game in level which had crown GV (and second try caused me to drop thru trapdoor in that vault, luckily at the last sector. Which was stupid because I had holy infusions and unbarring ways mapped at tab).

[Timo Pietilä]

I'm not going to change it yet - I'd rather leave that until I can chat to fizzix about it.

For what it's worth I have a feeling that something is wrong for weapons specifically. Except Phial, Evenstar, Gorlim and Paurhach all my artifact findings have been weapons, and I have found 11 of those, including Zarcuthra at 1600' (dropped by Boldor) which AFAIK should be rather rare. Evenstar, Gorlim and Paur I found somewhere after 2000', Phial from vault at 1600'.

Or maybe it just feels wrong because there is rather strong imbalance between amount of weapons and rest of the artifacts.

[takkaria]

So - takkaria - if you're going to change the good/great chances, let me know and I'll update so that the stats are done on the right version.

I'm not going to change it yet - I'd rather leave that until I can chat to fizzix about it.

[Nomad]

I'm in the rather strange situation (for me at least) where I've squelched all non-artifact weapons at dlvl30. Firstly because I'm getting regular artifact weapons and secondly because I can't be bothered IDing all the egos when I've already got Maedhros, Narthanc, Nimthanc, Elvagil, Forasgil and a couple of others. Maybe Funt III has inherited his daddy's luck with artifacts, but I'm beginning to suspect this is not the case.

Meanwhile, I'm still playing randart games and consistently finding no more than one artefact in the first 40 levels. Guess I should try playing standarts for comparison...

[MattB]

More anecdata feedback

It seems like it would be a good idea to tone down the good/great chances again a little.

I'm in the rather strange situation (for me at least) where I've squelched all non-artifact weapons at dlvl30. Firstly because I'm getting regular artifact weapons and secondly because I can't be bothered IDing all the egos when I've already got Maedhros, Narthanc, Nimthanc, Elvagil, Forasgil and a couple of others. Maybe Funt III has inherited his daddy's luck with artifacts, but I'm beginning to suspect this is not the case.

Having said that, I did just encounter a Dreadlord at dlvl28 which was a bit of a shock! He was worth three character levels to me, so I forgive him!

[Magnate]

Does this affect artifacts too?
Just found Narthanc lying on the ground at dlvl2. That's a game-changer!
I guess I'll just await Magnate's stats. Is it weird that I'm actually quite excited by the wait?

Sadly it looks as if we've hit some kind of infinite loop because we've been stuck at 93 runs for over 24h now. I'm running it in the background so it *could* be simply that something's gone wrong with the logging (the process is still going strong), but there's no way to tell. If it's still not finished when I get home I'll restart it in the foreground, so I can keep checking on it.

So - takkaria - if you're going to change the good/great chances, let me know and I'll update so that the stats are done on the right version.

[Timo Pietilä]

It seems like it would be a good idea to tone down the good/great chances again a little.

For !experience it could be enough to just make them a bit more rare, but I agree this is a lot more generous than 3.4.1 was, especially for weapon artifacts.

[MattB]

I suspect that the changes to good/great distribution affect !Experience since they are counted as 'good'. It seems like it would be a good idea to tone down the good/great chances again a little.

Does this affect artifacts too?
Just found Narthanc lying on the ground at dlvl2. That's a game-changer!
I guess I'll just await Magnate's stats. Is it weird that I'm actually quite excited by the wait?

[takkaria]

Is it just me, or are the experience potions now a lot more shallow than they used to be? I found four before I have even got to 1500' and result is that my char is now way ahead of my equipment which leads all kinds of situations I'm not used to.

I suspect that the changes to good/great distribution affect !Experience since they are counted as 'good'. It seems like it would be a good idea to tone down the good/great chances again a little.

[MattB]

Is it just me, or are the experience potions now a lot more shallow than they used to be? I found four before I have even got to 1500' and result is that my char is now way ahead of my equipment which leads all kinds of situations I'm not used to.

I just found my first. At clvl50.
We'll have to ask Magnate to run some stats.