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  • emar
    Apprentice
    • Jul 2019
    • 50

    #16
    Originally posted by Selkie
    Just as unrealistic as only being able to wear two rings, I've got ten fingers.
    I wonder--has any variant tried getting rid of statgain potions in favor of having ten rings?

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    • Grotug
      Veteran
      • Nov 2013
      • 1634

      #17
      Originally posted by emar
      I wonder--has any variant tried getting rid of statgain potions in favor of having ten rings?
      Interesting idea. I never thought of that. On the one hand could make the game a lot more interesting as there are so many combinations and different things you could go for. On the other hand you wouldn't have to hem and haw as to which of multiple rings of power to wear alongside a ring of speed, which might be too overpowered. Might be worth someone forking this idea and a few playthroughs to see how it goes! My hobbit ranger might end up with 2 rings of speed. 2 rings of CON. 2 rings of STR. 3 rings of power (or strong randart rings) and an accuracy/slaying ring.

      Some numbers for this thought experiment:

      In order for my Hobbit Ranger to get from 15 STR to 18/120 STR he'll need +15 STR. I usually try to get my Hobbit Rangers to 18/200 CON and starting CON is usually 17 so that would require +21 CON. WIS starts at 16 I believe which would mean +20 WIS to reach 18/180. If I were to wear all three rings of power that would be +15 speed (all you need on the rings slots) and +6 to all stats. 2 damage rings and 5 more stat rings and you'd have a pretty overpowered @.

      Starting stats for my Hobbit Rangers are:
      STR: 15
      INT: 12
      WIS: 17
      DEX: 16
      CON: 17

      3 standart Rings of power bring that up to:

      STR: 18/30
      INT: 18
      WIS: 18/50
      DEX: 18/40
      CON: 18/50

      2 STR rings and 2 CON rings brings it up to:

      STR: 18/130
      INT: 18
      WIS: 18/50
      DEX:18/40
      CON: 18/150

      1 more STR and 1 more CON and its a very comfortable:
      18/180
      18
      18/50
      18/40
      18/200

      Of course finding three +5 CON and three +5 STR rings isn't a given.
      Last edited by Grotug; January 22, 2022, 23:47.
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      • smbhax
        Swordsman
        • Oct 2021
        • 340

        #18
        There are variants with races where you can wear I think up to 8 rings, like on an octopus or spider; the trade-off there being they can't wear most other gear. I don't know of one that made the trade-off for losing access to stat gain.
        My Angband videos

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        • Pete Mack
          Prophet
          • Apr 2007
          • 6883

          #19
          Quickband has only temporary stat gain on top of normal stat set. Sil has temp stat gain, but with different stat model.

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          • Ingwe Ingweron
            Veteran
            • Jan 2009
            • 2129

            #20
            Morgoth is a Giant, but my *Slay Giant* does no extra damage on him.
            “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
            ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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            • Pete Mack
              Prophet
              • Apr 2007
              • 6883

              #21
              Morgoth is Ainur--immune to everything but slay evil. (Sauron is Mayar, so I dont know why he is vulnerable to Acid.)

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              • Nick
                Vanilla maintainer
                • Apr 2007
                • 9633

                #22
                Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                Morgoth is a Giant, but my *Slay Giant* does no extra damage on him.
                IIRC Morgoth used to have the GIANT flag, which is why Slay Giant is relatively rare.
                One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                • Grotug
                  Veteran
                  • Nov 2013
                  • 1634

                  #23
                  Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?
                  Beginner's Guide to Angband 4.2.3 Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9c9e2wMngM

                  Detailed account of my Ironman win here.

                  "My guess is that Grip and Fang have many more kills than Gothmog and Lungorthin." --Fizzix

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                  • Selkie
                    Swordsman
                    • Aug 2020
                    • 434

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Grotug
                    Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?
                    He really should have the giant flag IMO. Firstly, weapons of slay giant are rare, so it would make an interesting switch for the final fight. Secondly, he's massive so he's clearly a giant. Finally he is a P

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                    • Raerick
                      Scout
                      • Jan 2019
                      • 48

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Grotug
                      Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?
                      He should also spawn shimmering vortexes with every movement.

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                      • Ed_47569
                        Adept
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 114

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Grotug
                        Maybe M needs his HP bumped to 25,000 and given the Giant flag again?
                        Sounds good to me. IIRC in Frog Knows and very early versions he did have the Giant flag. I think his HP were only 17,000 though until he was boosted in V3.0.

                        On the subject of hitpoints, Sauron seems to have been nerfed considerably. He has less than some of the other uniques - perhaps bump him up to 12,000 or so?

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                        • Werbaer
                          Adept
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 182

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Ed_47569
                          Sounds good to me. IIRC in Frog Knows and very early versions he did have the Giant flag. I think his HP were only 17,000 though until he was boosted in V3.0.
                          Don't know about frog_knows, but at least since 2.7.9v6, he had 20,000 HP and no GIANT flag.

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                          • Pete Mack
                            Prophet
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 6883

                            #28
                            Sauron has had fewer HP than Ungoliant for as long as I remember. He is still harder to kill, although I rarely bother with the big S.

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                            • Ingwe Ingweron
                              Veteran
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2129

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Selkie
                              He really should have the giant flag IMO. Firstly, weapons of slay giant are rare, so it would make an interesting switch for the final fight. Secondly, he's massive so he's clearly a giant. Finally he is a P
                              I'm perfectly happy with him not having the GIANT flag. Yes, he is BIG (in fact I often call him the BIG BOSS), but he is not of the Giant race. Not a drop of Giant blood in him.
                              “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                              ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                              • Sphara
                                Knight
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 504

                                #30
                                Vanilla Angband's flags are no subject to change, imo. Morgoth certainly isn't a giant as a race. If anything besides 'P', he'd be an 'A'. But he certainly doesn't need _GIANT_ flag.
                                Only ones I could question, and that is really splitting hairs without any desire to change, are a nightcrawler being a snake instead of a worm and an etten being a troll instead of a giant.

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