Comp 226

[Gwarl]

New competition, High Elf Necromancer

[bron]

Has anyone played a Necromancer before? Any generic advice to get started?

[wobbly]

http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?t=9575

[Nick]

Oh man, just when I was getting some development done...

[DavidMedley]

I know this has been addressed before, but I'd really like to compete on this one, and here is my concern:

I don't believe the "honor system" is being upheld for many of these scores. So, is it just accepted that scores include unlimited scumming? What about two "Hall of Fame" lists - one for local systems and one for Angband.live? Or at least a mark or a filter for this?

[Bostock]

I wouldn't be too quickly skeptical of amazing scores. Some people are just amazingly good at the game.

[DavidMedley]

I agree it's possible these scores are fair, and impossible to say which are unfair. But if we could easily compare local scores with Live scores it would give some insight.

[DavidMedley]

Poker world is being rocked by a cheating scandal right now. Here's one of a mililon videos about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDtE9vrRiA

[Sideways]

It would be nice to see the super-fast players on angband.live (or video); so that others could learn from them (and Nick could watch them break the game), if for no other reason. Keep in mind, though, that players with non-English keyboards (like Estie) may experience some headaches playing V on angband.live.

(I tried this just now, and it seems less problematic than it used to be; but it could vary from keyboard to keyboard, so I'm not sure if it's improved for everybody or just me. It was definitely very bad when Estie last tried to play live.)

[Derakon]

The amount of effort spent on catching cheaters should be commensurate with the amount of harm caused by cheating. The competitions are zero-stakes, all that you stand to gain is some degree of recognition, and all that you stand to lose is a chance at that same recognition. I'm not saying that people won't cheat, but if they do...does it really matter?

[Sphara]

I'd most definitely play on angband.live if it wasn't so horribly slow running V 4.2.0.

I don't even know what qualifies for cheating against so called honor system *thanc-scumming? Hockeystick-targeting? Latter I do use, a lot. Early-level-feeling-scumming, never. It kills the fun from the game pretty much perfectly for me. I just dive, barely rest at all and try to stay alive

[DavidMedley]

The amount of effort spent on catching cheaters should be commensurate with the amount of harm caused by cheating. The competitions are zero-stakes, all that you stand to gain is some degree of recognition, and all that you stand to lose is a chance at that same recognition. I'm not saying that people won't cheat, but if they do...does it really matter?

This is the other option. Just accept that local games are full of various forms of scumming. But it's not much of a "competition" then, really.

Again, I think having Live vs local scores separated would be a big improvement. The live scores can be given the benefit of the doubt, but the Live scores are beyond reasonable doubt.

[DavidMedley]

*thanc-scumming? Hockeystick-targeting?

How are these cheating?

[DavidMedley]

Hijacking

Sorry, I've probably posted this in the wrong place. More on-topic:

How do we know what partially resists Nether Bolt? Is it all evil creatures?

[Nick]

How do we know what partially resists Nether Bolt? Is it all evil creatures?

Yep, and undead are immune. Probably should be in the documentation somewhere...