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Slow going. 50 levels of monsters is...
Anyway wrote a plan to help me. It wont actually look like this because it'll merge the levels with OODs then add in yeeks, kobolds & other fillers. However this'll run through the main probabilities (I hope).
Code:shire-bree:1-5 bree-weathertop:1-10 weathertop-rivendell:11-15 rivendell-pass:16-20 pass-moria:21-25 moria:26-50 lvl 1 : rural edges (w/b) lvl 2: woods (colours) lvl 3: mushroom fields (grey) lvl 4: old forest (b/g) lvl 5: civilian edges(purple/black/brown) lvl 6-8: wilderness (colours) lvl 9: approach to weathertop(greys/brown) lvl 10: weathertop(nether) lvl 11-12: wild wilderness(shrug) lvl 13: lucky 13(well something) lvl 14-15: river wilderness(more something I guess) lvl 16-18: wild wilderness(heavier colours) lvl 19-20: mountain(browns & whites) lvl 21: giantkind/cold(whites) lvl 22-24: wolf chase(colour of warg) lvl 25: the doors(above + colours) lvl 26+: moria(stuff)
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Took a fresh copy of feature branch & mucked with every table in play calcs trying to get endgame stats to 18/100. It was all pretty arbitrary so it'll get a bit interesting there for a bit. I'm going to make all the stat potions rarer. I'll fiddle with race/class & weapon weights till I have what I want, remove the egos & artifacts & give it a try.Comment
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with the logic being the hps are a rough difficulty setting. I plan on swapping con & class here. class has a con bonus anyway
Code:name:Human stats:0:0:0:0:1 skill-disarm-phys:0 skill-disarm-magic:0 skill-device:0 skill-save:0 skill-stealth:0 skill-search:0 skill-melee:0 skill-shoot:0 skill-throw:0 skill-dig:0 info:10:100:0 history:1:14:6 height:69:10 weight:165:35 name:Elf stats:0:2:2:2:0 skill-disarm-phys:5 skill-disarm-magic:10 skill-device:5 skill-save:5 skill-stealth:2 skill-search:5 skill-melee:-5 skill-shoot:15 skill-throw:0 skill-dig:0 info:8:100:2 history:5:75:75 height:57:4 weight:90:10 obj-flags:SUST_DEX name:Hobbit stats:-4:1:1:2:1 skill-disarm-phys:15 skill-disarm-magic:10 skill-device:15 skill-save:20 skill-stealth:4 skill-search:6 skill-melee:-10 skill-shoot:15 skill-throw:15 skill-dig:10 info:6:100:2 history:10:21:12 height:34:4 weight:55:5 obj-flags:HOLD_LIFE player-flags:KNOW_MUSHROOM player-flags:KNOW_ZAPPER name:Dwarf stats:1:1:1:0:2 skill-disarm-phys:10 skill-disarm-magic:5 skill-device:10 skill-save:5 skill-stealth:-2 skill-search:5 skill-melee:20 skill-shoot:-10 skill-throw:5 skill-dig:50 info:12:100:5 history:16:35:15 height:47:4 weight:135:20 values:RES_DARK[1]
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Argh. That double posted. Everything uses the 1 blow table. Paladin & Rogue can get an extra blow. Rogue no longer gains stealth but has the ranger extra shots.Comment
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Test. Think this is as much class/race fiddling as I'll do for now
Code:[Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump] Name Test Age 97 Self RB CB EB Best Race Elf Height 4'10" STR: 16 +0 +1 +0 17 Class Paladin Weight 5st 11lb INT: 10 +2 -3 +0 9 Title Gallant Turns used: WIS: 14 +2 +1 +0 17 HP 12/12 Game 121 DEX: 16 +2 -1 +0 17 SP 2/2 Standard 12 CON: 14 +0 +2 +0 16 Resting 0 Level 1 Armor [0,+2] Saving Throw 35% Cur Exp 0 Stealth Poor Max Exp 0 Melee 2d5,+2 Disarm - phys. 30% Adv Exp 10 To-hit 22,+4 Disarm - magic 32% Blows 1.0/turn Magic Devices 30 Gold 91 Searching 16% Burden 10.0 lb Shoot to-dam +0 Infravision 20 ft Overweight -109.9 lb To-hit 22,+4 Speed Normal Max Depth Town Shots 0.0/turn You are the only child of an Avarin Ranger. You have light blue eyes, straight brown hair, and a fair complexion. rAcid:............. Nexus:............. rElec:............. Nethr:............. rFire:............. Chaos:............. rCold:............. Disen:............. rPois:............. pFear:............. rLite:............. pBlnd:............. rDark:............. pConf:............. Sound:............. pStun:............. Shard:............. HLife:............. Regen:............. Stea.:............. ESP:............. Sear.:............. Invis:............. Infra:............+ FrAct:............. Tunn.:............. Feath:............. Speed:............. S.Dig:............. Blows:............. ImpHP:............. Shots:............. Fear:............. Might:............. Aggrv:............. Light:............. [Character Equipment] a) a Long Sword (2d5) (+0,+0) An inheritance from your family Combat info: 1.0 blows/round. With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.1 blows With +0 STR and +3 DEX you would get 1.1 blows Average damage/round: 8.4. f) a Wooden Torch (5000 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light. [Character Inventory] a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Spiritual World] You can read this book. b) a Ration of Food c) a Scroll of Word of Recall d) a Scroll of Protection from EvilComment
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Starting with one blow as a paladin is a serious challenge. Bad stealth will be overwhelming.Comment
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Rogue/Ranger/Archer probably takes easy spot. I'm fine with that,
Code:[Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump] Name Test Age 16 Self RB CB EB Best Race Human Height 5'5" STR: 14 +0 +0 +0 14 Class Rogue Weight 16st 12lb INT: 14 +0 +1 +0 15 Title Vagabond Turns used: WIS: 13 +0 -3 +0 10 HP 13/13 Game 1 DEX: 13 +0 +3 +0 16 SP 0/0 Standard 0 CON: 14 +1 -1 +0 14 Resting 0 Level 1 Armor [8,+2] Saving Throw 30% Cur Exp 0 Stealth Good Max Exp 0 Melee 1d4,+0 Disarm - phys. 51% Adv Exp 10 To-hit 13,+3 Disarm - magic 49% Blows 1.1/turn Magic Devices 33 Gold 319 Searching 21% Burden 17.1 lb Shoot to-dam +0 Infravision 0 ft Overweight -90.8 lb To-hit 23,+3 Speed Normal Max Depth Town Shots 0.0/turn You are one of several children of a Serf. You are a credit to the family. You have brown eyes, straight black hair, and a dark complexion. rAcid:............. Nexus:............. rElec:............. Nethr:............. rFire:............. Chaos:............. rCold:............. Disen:............. rPois:............. pFear:............. rLite:............. pBlnd:............. rDark:............. pConf:............. Sound:............. pStun:............. Shard:............. HLife:............. Regen:............. Stea.:............. ESP:............. Sear.:............. Invis:............. Infra:............. FrAct:............. Tunn.:............. Feath:............. Speed:............. S.Dig:............. Blows:............. ImpHP:............. Shots:............. Fear:............. Might:............. Aggrv:............. Light:............. [Character Equipment] a) a Dagger (1d4) (+0,+0) An inheritance from your family Combat info: 1.1 blows/round. With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.2 blows With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.2 blows Average damage/round: 2.7. f) a Wooden Torch (5000 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light. g) Soft Leather Armour [8,+0] An inheritance from your familyComment
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Looks reasonable enough so far
Code:[Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump] Name Test Age 49 Self RB CB EB Best Race Dwarf Height 4'2" STR: 17 +1 +1 +0 18/10 Class Paladin Weight 9st 12lb INT: 10 +1 -3 +0 8 Title Gallant Turns used: WIS: 10 +1 +1 +0 12 HP 6/38 Game 2521 DEX: 17 +0 -1 +0 16 SP 0/4 Standard 254 CON: 14 +2 +2 +0 18 Resting 43 Level 4 Armor [9,+7] Saving Throw 35% Cur Exp 46 Stealth Bad Max Exp 46 Melee 2d5,+3 Disarm - phys. 40% Adv Exp 70 To-hit 34,+14 Disarm - magic 30% Blows 1.1/turn Magic Devices 39 Gold 8 Searching 19% Burden 23.4 lb Shoot to-dam +0 Infravision 50 ft Overweight -156.5 lb To-hit 17,+14 Speed Normal Max Depth 100' (L2) Shots 0.0/turn You are one of two children of a Dwarven Prison Guard. You are a credit to the family. You have dark brown eyes, straight black hair, a one foot beard, and a dark complexion. rAcid:............. Nexus:............. rElec:............. Nethr:............. rFire:............. Chaos:............. rCold:............. Disen:............. rPois:............. pFear:............. rLite:............. pBlnd:............. rDark:............+ pConf:............. Sound:............. pStun:............. Shard:............. HLife:............. Regen:............. Stea.:............. ESP:............. Sear.:............. Invis:............. Infra:............+ FrAct:............. Tunn.:............+ Feath:............. Speed:............. S.Dig:............. Blows:............. ImpHP:............. Shots:............. Fear:............. Might:............. Aggrv:............. Light:............. [Character Equipment] a) a Long Sword (2d5) (+0,+0) An inheritance from your family Combat info: 1.1 blows/round. With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.2 blows With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.2 blows Average damage/round: 10.1. f) a Wooden Torch (4878 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light. g) Soft Leather Armour [8,+0] Bought from a store h) a Cloak [1,+0] Bought from a store [Character Inventory] a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Spiritual World] {@m1} You can read this book. b) a Ration of Food c) a Scroll of Word of Recall d) a Scroll of Protection from Evil e) 2 Wooden Torches (5000 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light.Comment
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Opinion: Giving too many blows to a fighter early is just encouraging it to ignore positioning.
Another opinion: Armour matters more if combat is more swingy
Final opinion: All opinions change based on how easily I can kill the Balrog with a dwarf paladinLast edited by wobbly; August 3, 2018, 22:48.Comment
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Yeah it's fine, just some early-mid level stuff has to lose hps. Might save me some powering up of orcsComment
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Put the smaller levels back in. Lighter Weapon:
Code:[Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump] Name Better Age 38 Self RB CB EB Best Race Dwarf Height 4'0" STR: 18 +1 +1 +0 18/20 Class Paladin Weight 10st 7lb INT: 10 +1 -3 +0 8 Title Gallant Turns used: WIS: 10 +1 +1 +0 12 HP 16/16 Game 1 DEX: 17 +0 -1 +0 16 SP 1/1 Standard 0 CON: 10 +2 +2 +0 14 Resting 0 Level 1 Armor [0,+2] Saving Throw 32% Cur Exp 0 Stealth Bad Max Exp 0 Melee 1d7,+5 Disarm - phys. 35% Adv Exp 10 To-hit 30,+4 Disarm - magic 27% Blows 1.2/turn Magic Devices 35 Gold 226 Searching 16% Burden 14.2 lb Shoot to-dam +0 Infravision 50 ft Overweight -165.7 lb To-hit 14,+4 Speed Normal Max Depth Town Shots 0.0/turn Better? rAcid:............. Nexus:............. rElec:............. Nethr:............. rFire:............. Chaos:............. rCold:............. Disen:............. rPois:............. pFear:............. rLite:............. pBlnd:............. rDark:............+ pConf:............. Sound:............. pStun:............. Shard:............. HLife:............. Regen:............. Stea.:............. ESP:............. Sear.:............. Invis:............. Infra:............+ FrAct:............. Tunn.:............+ Feath:............. Speed:............. S.Dig:............. Blows:............. ImpHP:............. Shots:............. Fear:............. Might:............. Aggrv:............. Light:............. [Character Equipment] a) a Short Sword (1d7) (+0,+0) An inheritance from your family Combat info: 1.2 blows/round. With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.3 blows With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.3 blows Average damage/round: 11.2. f) a Wooden Torch (5000 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light. [Character Inventory] a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Spiritual World] You can read this book. b) 2 Rations of Food c) a Scroll of Word of Recall d) a Scroll of Protection from Evil e) 2 Wooden Torches (5000 turns) An inheritance from your family Radius 1 light.Comment
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Adjusted again & dwarf/elf paladins get up round 2 now with a dagger. I vaguely remember ages ago when iron spikes vanished that monster door bash was broken & it was guaranteed or near guaranteed to succeed. It was fixed by removing iron spikes. I'll see if I can change that. Don't care much about the spikes but getting wizard lock in would be nice.
Edit: I'll give another of my reasons for dropping warrior blows. I'm over warriors not having an early game. With it taking about 15 dlvls before warriors get to play too. I guarantee my numbers are out of whack, but how in whack are vanilla numbers? For what small fraction of the game do they actually work well?Last edited by wobbly; August 4, 2018, 06:24.Comment
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I feel a bit like I'm whining, criticising or bitching about everything in Vs balance. However look at the feature branch comp. That's Morgy not the Balrog people are brutalising on turn 5, character level 2. Pretending V doesn't have serious balance issues... What am I meant to do, cut off the last 30 character levels??
Anyway time to get less worked up, get something working I can test & muck with.Comment
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