Coffee-band containment thread

[wobbly]

Played a human rogue a bit & the lower damage is good in the early game & then you get beyond a certain depth & it's just not... so I'm going to play with this a bit. Oddly enough I don't think you need to be doing 30 damage on a dlvl with a max. hp of 6. And 4 blows is capable of taking 4 at once, you're lvl 1 for god sake.

So first I'm going to see if I can get light weapons to crit via. accuracy as a way to start gaining some damage. If I can't find anything subtle I'll try enchant weapon scrolls.

[wobbly]

Ok after crashing it a few time trying to use a divisor in an integer calculation I've made crits easier which seems to improve the situation. So the heavier weapons crit the easiest, the light weapons crit higher levels easier but a heavier weapon crits harder/crit level just from the base damage. So it's actually both very simple & utterly confusing, I'll have to try again to get crit chances to display so I can see what it's doing.

Edit: =Bodykeeping, =Reckless Attacks, =Dog all got merged into =Dog so we'll see how that goes.

[wobbly]

A bunch of uniques rebased as undead. They should only show up as OODs anyway.

[Holy_Rage]

Go wobbly!

[wobbly]

Got tired of fixing the shops so none of them sell anything at the moment. Except the black market. About 5 minutes of play

Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump]

 Name   Test         Age             31          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Race   Hobbit       Height        2'1"   STR:     18  -4  +3  +0     17
 Class  Paladin      Weight    3st 13lb   INT:     10  +1  -2  +0      9
 Title  Gallant      Turns used:          WIS:     10  +1  -1  +0     10
 HP     36/36        Game          6176   DEX:     17  +2  +0  +0  18/10
 SP     1/1          Standard       565   CON:     10  +1  +2  +0     13
                     Resting          0

 Level                  5    Armor        [8,+3]    Saving Throw     51%
 Cur Exp               84                           Stealth         Fair
 Max Exp               84    Melee       1d10,+3    Disarm - phys.   47%
 Adv Exp              100    To-hit        26,+7    Disarm - magic   36%
                             Blows      1.0/turn    Magic Devices     44
 Gold                 472                           Searching        22%
 Burden           31.4 lb    Shoot to-dam     +0    Infravision    20 ft
 Overweight      -88.5 lb    To-hit        26,+7    Speed         Normal
 Max Depth      200' (L4)    Shots      0.0/turn

 You are one of several children of a Hobbit Shirriff.  You are the
 black sheep of the family.  You have brown eyes, straight black hair,
 and a very dark complexion.


rAcid:............. Nexus:.............
rElec:............. Nethr:.............
rFire:............. Chaos:.............
rCold:............. Disen:.............
rPois:............. pFear:.............
rLite:............. pBlnd:.............
rDark:............. pConf:.............
Sound:............. pStun:.............
Shard:............. HLife:............+

Regen:............. Stea.:.............
  ESP:............. Sear.:.............
Invis:............. Infra:............+
FrAct:............. Tunn.:............+
Feath:............. Speed:.............
S.Dig:............. Blows:.............
ImpHP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............
Aggrv:............. Light:.............


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Trident (1d10) (+0,+0)
     Found lying on the floor at 200 feet (level 4)
     
     Combat info:
     1.0 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.2 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.1 blows
     Average damage/round: 8.9.
     
f) a Wooden Torch (4383 turns)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Radius 1 light.
     
g) Soft Leather Armour [8,+0]
     An inheritance from your family
     




  [Character Inventory]

a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Spiritual World] {@m1}
     
     You can read this book.
     
b) 2 Rations of Food
c) 12 Potions of Cure Light Wounds
d) a Potion of Poison
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
e) a Scroll of Word of Recall
f) 3 Wooden Torches (5000 turns)
     Radius 1 light.
     
g) a Dagger (1d4) (+0,+0)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Combat info:
     1.3 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.6 blows
     Average damage/round: 7.3.
     




  [Character Quiver]



[Player history]
      Turn   Depth  Note
         0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
        36    100'  Reached level 2
       141    100'  Reached level 3
       237    200'  Reached level 4
       471    200'  Reached level 5

[wobbly]

Found a bunch of different weapons to look at.

& thanks Holy Rage. Congrats on 3rd in the Sil Comp

  
[Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump]

 Name   Test         Age             39          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Race   Dwarf        Height       3'10"   STR:     17  +1  +3  +0  18/30
 Class  Paladin      Weight    8st 11lb   INT:     10  +1  -2  +0      9
 Title  Gallant      Turns used:          WIS:     10  +1  -1  +0     10
 HP     17/29        Game          2769   DEX:     18  +0  +0  +0     18
 SP     0/0          Standard       279   CON:     10  +2  +2  +0     14
                     Resting          3

 Level                  2    Armor        [9,+3]    Saving Throw     33%
 Cur Exp               12                           Stealth          Bad
 Max Exp               12    Melee        1d4,+8    Disarm - phys.   38%
 Adv Exp               25    To-hit        32,+8    Disarm - magic   28%
                             Blows      2.3/turn    Magic Devices     36
 Gold                 140                           Searching        17%
 Burden           49.1 lb    Shoot to-dam     +0    Infravision    50 ft
 Overweight     -130.8 lb    To-hit        15,+8    Speed         Normal
 Max Depth       50' (L1)    Shots      0.0/turn

 You are the only child of a Dwarven Miner.  You are a credit to the
 family.  You have dark brown eyes, straight brown hair, a one foot
 beard, and a dark complexion.


rAcid:............. Nexus:.............
rElec:............. Nethr:.............
rFire:............. Chaos:.............
rCold:............. Disen:.............
rPois:............. pFear:.............
rLite:............. pBlnd:.............
rDark:............+ pConf:.............
Sound:............. pStun:.............
Shard:............. HLife:.............

Regen:............. Stea.:.............
  ESP:............. Sear.:.............
Invis:............. Infra:............+
FrAct:............. Tunn.:............+
Feath:............. Speed:............!
S.Dig:............. Blows:.............
ImpHP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............
Aggrv:............. Light:.............


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Dagger (1d4) (+0,+0)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Combat info:
     2.3 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.3 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 3.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 24.9.
     
f) a Wooden Torch (4724 turns)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Radius 1 light.
     
g) Soft Leather Armour [8,+0]
     An inheritance from your family
     
h) a Cloak [1,+0]
     Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1)
     




  [Character Inventory]

a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Spiritual World]
     
     You can read this book.
     
b) a Ration of Food
c) a Flask of oil
d) 10 Potions of Cure Light Wounds
e) a Potion of Speed
f) a Potion of Heroism
g) a Scroll of Word of Recall
h) 2 Wooden Torches (5000 turns)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Radius 1 light.
     
i) a Flail (2d6) (+3,+2)
     Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1)
     
     Combat info:
     1.0 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.2 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 1.1 blows
     Average damage/round: 18.1.
     
j) a Quarterstaff (1d9) (+4,+3)
     Found lying on the floor at 50 feet (level 1)
     
     Combat info:
     1.2 blows/round.
     With +2 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.3 blows
     With +0 STR and +2 DEX you would get 1.3 blows
     Average damage/round: 20.2.
     




  [Character Quiver]

0) 19 Rounded Pebbles (1d2) (+2,+4)


[Player history]
      Turn   Depth  Note
         0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
       212     50'  Reached level 2

[wobbly]

& 1 last for the night:

  [Angband 4.1.3 Character Dump]

 Name   Test         Age             18          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Race   Human        Height        5'2"   STR:     17  +0  +1  +0     18
 Class  Rogue        Weight     7st 5lb   INT:     10  +0  +1  +0     11
 Title  Cutpurse     Turns used:          WIS:     10  +0  -3  +0      7
 HP     39/49        Game         12786   DEX:     18  +0  +3  +0  18/30
 SP     1/3          Standard      1199   CON:     10  +1  -1  +0     10
                     Resting        108

 Level                  6    Armor        [8,+5]    Saving Throw     34%
 Cur Exp              127                           Stealth         Good
 Max Exp              127    Melee       1d10,+4    Disarm - phys.   61%
 Adv Exp              140    To-hit        20,+9    Disarm - magic   57%
                             Blows      1.1/turn    Magic Devices     38
 Gold                 258                           Searching        29%
 Burden           44.5 lb    Shoot to-dam     +0    Infravision     0 ft
 Overweight     -105.4 lb    To-hit        28,+9    Speed         Normal
 Max Depth      250' (L5)    Shots      0.0/turn

 You are one of several children of a Yeoman.  You are a credit to the
 family.  You have hazel eyes, straight brown hair, and an average
 complexion.


rAcid:............. Nexus:.............
rElec:............. Nethr:.............
rFire:............. Chaos:.............
rCold:............. Disen:.............
rPois:............. pFear:.............
rLite:............. pBlnd:.............
rDark:............. pConf:.............
Sound:............. pStun:.............
Shard:............. HLife:.............

Regen:............. Stea.:.............
  ESP:............. Sear.:.............
Invis:............. Infra:.............
FrAct:............. Tunn.:.............
Feath:............. Speed:.............
S.Dig:............. Blows:.............
ImpHP:............. Shots:.............
 Fear:............. Might:.............
Aggrv:............. Light:.............


  [Character Equipment]

a) a Trident (1d10) (+0,+0)
     Found lying on the floor at 100 feet (level 2)
     
     Combat info:
     1.1 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 1.3 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 1.3 blows
     Average damage/round: 11.1.
     
f) a Wooden Torch (3722 turns)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Radius 1 light.
     
g) Soft Leather Armour [8,+0]
     An inheritance from your family
     




  [Character Inventory]

a) a Book of Magic Spells [Practical Spells] {@m1}
     
     You can read this book.
     
b) 3 Rations of Food
c) a Flask of oil
d) 7 Potions of Cure Light Wounds
e) a Potion of Speed
f) 5 Potions of Blindness
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
g) 2 Scrolls of Mapping
h) 2 Scrolls of Word of Recall
i) 2 Wooden Torches (5000 turns)
     Radius 1 light.
     
j) a Set of Leather Gloves [1,+0]
     Found lying on the floor at 100 feet (level 2)
     
k) a Dagger (1d4) (+0,+0)
     An inheritance from your family
     
     Combat info:
     1.6 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 2.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 10.7.
     




  [Character Quiver]

0) 25 Rounded Pebbles (1d2) (+6,+4)


[Player history]
      Turn   Depth  Note
         0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
        30     50'  Reached level 2
       456    100'  Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's Dog
       456    100'  Reached level 3
       766    100'  Reached level 4
      1060    150'  Reached level 5
      1181    200'  Reached level 6

[wobbly]

Monster list is almost finished up to dlvl 51. Turns out if you take a bunch of dragons bigger then AMHDs (including etherals) & shuff them down, move a bunch of wrong theme stuff, then Rograk just floats up to dlvl 49. My 1st trial of doing something about clvl is to make anything over clvl 30 take bucket loads of xp. So for now it's grindable but I'll balance for clvl 30 & the rest are meant for people who want to kill Morgy in the post-game.

So I'll have to make trolls tough but hopefully not a lot of adjustment, my 3 unique spirit trolls are native to dlvl 51, I assume they are brutal when they turn up. The priests are going to add some mayham, possibly they just need to be the right speed and tough. Where is Rograk from anyway? Currently he's filling my Sauran spot & I don't know who he is.

[wobbly]

I think I understand a bit better why dex starts beating str so much for heavier weapon blows. It's tied to the dagger problem. If you spike str/weight more it spikes the light weapons more then the heavy. I'm not sure I have a great solution though moving weapon weights closer together helps. If I don't get something I like perhaps some variant of Min(str/weight, dex/weight) will work.

[Holy_Rage]

Thanks man, looking forward to your creation!

[wobbly]

Getting something up was delayed as I'm unhappy with my monster list so I'm redoing it in a more organised fashion. Not a complete waste, got to try plenty of ideas & it's much faster doing it with a clearer system. Wargs and thus orcs sit dead centre which is convenient for getting them into more of the game.

I'm trialing an abstraction of scouting/mapping. It just uses stealth rather then a perception skill. The game now assume you travel/scout/map/cover tracks when you take the stairs. A small modifier is applied to monster/trap/stair gen/object gen. I was going to give hobbits a "lucky" flag but that just got absorbed in via there stealth bonus. It's assumed that rooms contain junk & item gen is "noticing", so it'll occasionally pull more stuff. Monster respawn is upped to stop stealth getting out of control. I'll have to play a bit before I decide if it's good or junk.

[wobbly]

Did some stuff this morning & have a clearer idea where the classes go.
Paladin is the old warrior spot. So I guess just 1 town/1 dungeon book.
Druid swaps with rogue and I restat it for unarmed shapshifter. More Beorning then brown wizard.
Rogue is still burglar/ranger the nerfed bow shots in feature make that work. Play a dwarf rogue if you want something that'll melee well.
Mage is probably going to end up more the old priest. Mostly to drop the spells down to more glyphs less ping ping.

Edit: So if lvl 1 dwarf is 5hp, paladin is 5 & a dwarf paladin's con bonus 5. I guess I'll need a base hps to stop the hobbit mage being about 3 at lvl 1

[wobbly]

I was happy with my zephyrs but now.. Too carbon copy, elements need a touch of character. Earth now digs umber hulk style with smaller packs. Elec it's a cliche but a touch of speed. Air, well I'm not going to miss blink dogs, they didn't add anything a phase spider didn't do bettter. Fire/cold/acid can stay basic for now.

So I'm going to say, 1st alpha end of next week. That means most coding changes move down the list and I clean up the stuff I can do in the edit files. My main mission for now is to take a 4.1.3 dwarf warrior to the balrog for no.s I need clvl, hps and damage output to fight AMHD and balrog of Moria for my balance pts. Between that & an FA rogue in limbo I'll lose some working time. (also it'll be longer if I get to Morgy, another V win is long overdue)

[wobbly]

Decided on a plan for hobbit mage hps. I'll just let it go as low as 5 then make the 1st 5 clvls super fast. So kill something, bang up to 10 hp etc. This'll give them a more usable spell pt pool sooner too, allowing me to be mean earlier. So there's already no traps till dlvl 10, I'll remove torches, just lantern or phial. Enforce the smallest lvl size for 1-5, spread the junk monsters across it, put the dogs at 6 then anything that doesn't fit being squeezed up just drops from the list. Trolls & wights start at 13, so they'll be sleepy, sleepy. The less I can weaken them elsewhere the better. Cutpurses are around 10 so I guess ?phase will start there too

[wobbly]

Argh, the monster list parser hates me. Seriously I can take a list that works. Add something. Remove what I added. Suddenly name is name. bleargh

So new plan here. I grabbed Umoria's list & I'll strip V down to that & see if it parses. Then add the umoria stuff that's not in V (which interestly seem to be in O & FA) then add the stuff I really want to keep from V & my own list. Then curse at it for not working.