LCC4 progress

[LCC]

I can never work out if you are being sarcastic or not

Sarcastic in this case. I swear this Hobbit has the WORST luck compared to games LCC1 and LCC3. He has not found the cloak Colluin or gloves Cambeleg, has found few stat gain potions, and NO potions of augmentation or speed boots. LCC3 got Wrath of God off a hill orc on dlvl 40! NO such a hooty doo for this hobbit! The ONLY excellent luck which he has had was getting the mace Taratol @444k turns on dlvl 20! His HP sucks too much for diving deeper...

Promoted clvl 34 @845288 turns with 4188 killed, HP247, SP214, AC131 with prayer, hitting 3@30.5+, shooting 1@73.5+ enchanted ammo. Spent $80k in losses buying out Temple 5 times for potions CCW and Heroism, then Alchemy shop 10 times for scrolls recharging to $164k. Ready to recall @847932 turns with 4243 killed.

[PowerDiver]

His HP sucks too much for diving deeper...

Part of that is that you should be wearing two con rings. I don't remember the tables exactly,but I think each point of con would be +17 hp for you.

[LCC]

Part of that is that you should be wearing two con rings. I don't remember the tables exactly,but I think each point of con would be +17 hp for you.

The only ring CON which I have seen is stashed at home - it's +2. I prefer extra blows rather than a little more HP.
I had a level feeling of very good, which it turned out to be. My luck has improved! Potions strength to 18/51 base and wis to 18/31 base. I also found and sold SL armor Hithlomir. The magic shop had a ring of dex+3 which I bought and wore rather than the ring str+3. That improved me to four blows. I then checked out wielding BAo Balli Stonehand, and found that the fail rate for heal is still 1% with pointy penalty. So I carry mace Taratol as a swap weapon now. My hitting is BAoBS 4@35.5/ 62.5 orcs/ trolls/ demons and MT 4@30.5/ 45.5 electricity/ 60.5 dragons. By wielding BAoBS I also gain see invisible, regeneration, and +3 str, con, stealth. So it makes up for not wearing the ring of str+3, is better than wearing the ring con+2, and allows me to get first round on most monsters - MIGHTY FINE! Stats HP247/298, SP265, AC133 with prayer. Ready to recall @865197 turns with 4472 killed. Character dump is attached.

[Pete Mack]

What's the minimum DEX you need to get 4 blows with Balli? (It's probably 100, in which case, you can give up a lot of DEX.) And what about with the RoSTR instead?

In any case, I'd wear RoCON (even +2) over RoDEX. 332 HP is perceptibly better than 298.

[LCC]

The BM proprietor settled the disagreement by selling me a ring CON+5. I wore it and sold the second dex+3, making me only 3@35.5 versus 4 blows. I am willing to trade -1/3 damage for +1/3 HP. I am now the second ranked Hobbit priest, only the winner pelpel2 ranks higher. His post from 2002 :

[Angband 2.8.3 Character Dump]

Name pelpel2 Self RB CB EB Best
Sex Male Age 31 STR! 18/100 -2 -1 +11 18/180
Race Hobbit Height 36 INT! 18/100 +2 -3 +3 18/120
Class Priest Weight 56 WIS! 18/100 +1 +3 +12 18/260
Title ***WINNER*** Status 68 DEX! 18/100 +3 -1 +9 18/210
HP 838/838 Maximize Y CON! 18/100 +2 +0 +14 18/260
SP 366/366 Preserve Y CHR! 18/100 +1 +2 +0 18/130

Level 48 Armor [36,+133] Saving Throw Legendary
Cur Exp 4689942 Fight (+26,+14) Stealth Superb
Max Exp 4689942 Melee (+49,+38) Fighting Legendary
Adv Exp 5200000 Shoot (+46,+22) Shooting Legendary
Blows 5/turn Disarming Superb
Gold 6220942 Shots 2/turn Magic Device Heroic
Perception Fair
Burden 305.8 lbs Infra 40 ft Searching Fair

I have not seen a pit or treasure room in ten trips. I killed Ariel on the fourth trip since last promotion. On fifth trip down, promoted clvl 35 @882893 turns with 4685 killed, HP397 wielding BAoBS, SP273. Ready to recall @884887 turns with 4693 killed. Character dump is attached.

[LCC]

Killed Uldor, Khim, and Kavlax. Found artifacts sword Elvagil (sold), sword Sting (stashed), and axe Barukkheled (sold). On fifth trip down promoted clvl 36 @922732 turns with 5396 killed, HP503 wielding BAoBS, SP281, AC135 with prayer, hitting 4@36.5+ BAoBS or 3@31.5+ Taratol, shooting 1@91.5+ enchanted ammo. Found and bought several stat gain potions to equipment adjusted : str 18/100, int 18/40, wis 18/201, dex 18/118, con 18/186, chr 18/20. To match LCC3 at descent to dlvl 50, I need potions str 2, wis 4, dex 2, con ok, don't care about int and chr. Ready to recall @925373 turns with 5414 killed. Character dump is attached.

Edit : This game will take 1.5 million turns at the rate which I am promoting. A far cry from original estimates, but I had no way of knowing how weak a character this Hobbit is without more experience playing with him...

[PowerDiver]

Edit : This game will take 1.5 million turns at the rate which I am promoting. A far cry from original estimates,.

CL is a truly terrible way to estimate. I use turncount * 100 / MaxDepth. Not remotely close to perfect, but a heck of a lot closer.

The better you get at diving, the more accurate it will be.

[LCC]

CL is a truly terrible way to estimate. I use turncount * 100 / MaxDepth. Not remotely close to perfect, but a heck of a lot closer.

The better you get at diving, the more accurate it will be.

I am going to dive all the way from 40 to 70 at about turn 1M. So your formula would make that a 1.5M turn game. There was no way that you could have known about that when you commented of course. I chose dlvl 70 for staffs of magi and banishment. Also there are mostly unique monsters added after dlvl 45, so I might as well go down to depth 2x clvl 36 or so. Actually I just checked and am at turn 938k now, so I will start diving on next recall...

[PowerDiver]

I am going to dive all the way from 40 to 70 at about turn 1M. So your formula would make that a 1.5M turn game. There was no way that you could have known about that when you commented of course. I chose dlvl 70 for staffs of magi and banishment. Also there are mostly unique monsters added after dlvl 45, so I might as well go down to depth 2x clvl 36 or so. Actually I just checked and am at turn 938k now, so I will start diving on next recall...

As your skill improves, you will descend more uniformly. Also, it is very hard to dive quite as fast as I think you are planning to, when you are likely to see all those pretty shiny baubles on the way.

When you are done with the game, go back and see what method provided better estimates. Perhaps you should take a geometric average of the two, or perhaps correlate to something entirely different such as base stats.

[LCC]

I am recalling to dlvl 45 at 946k. I was making good progress until I decided to kill an 11-headed Hydra for the high experience and possible good object drop. But he burned up both my chants and blessings books, so I recalled ASAP. On the way down I killed Nar and Castamir and found artifacts helm Gorlim (dropped) and dagger Narthanc (sold). Ready to recall to dlvl 45 @945819 turns with 5628 killed and 66k till next promotion.

[myshkin]

I was making good progress until I decided to kill an 11-headed Hydra for the high experience and possible good object drop.

Hydras only drop gold. They are rarely worth the trouble.

[LCC]

[QUOTE=myshkin;22823]

I was making good progress until I decided to kill an 11-headed Hydra for the high experience and possible good object drop.[\QUOTE]

Hydras only drop gold. They are rarely worth the trouble.

You are absolutely right! I have NO idea what I was thinking! Most animals, creeping coins, and lesser dragons only drop coins...

Now recalling to dlvl 64 @957175 turns with promotion gained in town by quaffing ! experience from the BM (cost $75k). Total killed 5856 including one each troll and orc pit on the way down. Found gloves Cambeleg (worn) and recalled when out of identify and low on speed staff charges. Gained stats by quaffing potions to equipment adjusted : str 18/141, int 18/40, wis 18/201, dex 18/101, con 18/***, chr 18/20, speed is still +2 without haste, HP606, SP289, AC146 with prayer, hitting 4@40.5+ BAoBS and 4@34.5+ Taratol, shooting 1@91.5+ enchanted ammo. I swapped the = dex+3 for an = str+4 and am wearing gloves Cambeleg. Character dump is attached.

After looking over the mon-info spoiler, I decided to go on down to 80. By the time I get there I may be clvl 38, and I hope to find Deathwreaker...

[LCC]

I examined the mon-info spoiler again, paying attention to speed. There are WAY too many that move at +20. So I am going to stop at 65 for a couple hundred k turns, or until I have speed without haste of +15 as I had in LCC3 when I dove from 65 to 75...

[Pete Mack]

You're in great shape now, with CON 18/200+. Still a bit short on HP, but that's because you are a hobbit priest. Nevertheless, 660 HP is enough to take full force of any unresisted higher elemental, and any single-resisted elemental attack. So long as you detect often, you are good all the way to dl 99. The downside is that speed 2 means you have to avoid most fights: you need a speed ring; they come from dl 75+. Dive straight there without stopping is your best strategy, and teleport other most of the level-native monsters (except big acid breathers!) until you find a Ring of Speed.

BTW: pls link to your dump in the ladder rather than including a text file. The ladder is a lot more readable, and more convenient.

[LCC]

I will compromise with you on this issue. When I get a copy of PB Purifications and Healing, I will dive 65 to 75. But not until then. BTW that is HP606 not HP660...