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  • half
    Knight
    • Jan 2009
    • 910

    Forum registration is too hard

    I just received a very useful Sil bug report via email from someone who finished by saying:

    I'd post all this in the relevant thread of the Angband Forums, but I
    can't register there because it requires the answer to a secret question
    that's written in Tolkienesque.
    I think we need to change the question to make it easier, or to link to a page that explains it or something. I think even if it said:

    Type the word "mellon" to enter
    That would be enough to stop bots and still allow all the real people who want to join.
  • pav
    Administrator
    • Apr 2007
    • 793

    #2
    But but but, think about the flavour!!

    Nah seriously, I'm not opposed to changing the question - the answer to the old one leaked to bot owners already - but I'd like something a bit more colourful. Suggestions?
    See the elves and everything! http://angband.oook.cz

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    • Timo Pietilä
      Prophet
      • Apr 2007
      • 4096

      #3
      Originally posted by pav
      But but but, think about the flavour!!

      Nah seriously, I'm not opposed to changing the question - the answer to the old one leaked to bot owners already - but I'd like something a bit more colourful. Suggestions?
      How about random basic calculus? (d100)+/-/*(d100). That should be easy for humans and difficult for bots. Of course something like 78*86 could be a bit hard to calculate in your head, but calculators exist for that.

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      • Nick
        Vanilla maintainer
        • Apr 2007
        • 9647

        #4
        Alive without breath,
        As cold as death;
        Never thirsty, ever drinking,
        All in mail never clinking.
        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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        • HallucinationMushroom
          Knight
          • Apr 2007
          • 785

          #5
          I had forgotten that one, I like it. The egg one is the one that always springs to my mind when recalling the riddle game.

          The answer to yours was an alcoholic zombie postman, right?
          You are on something strange

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9647

            #6
            Originally posted by HallucinationMushroom
            The answer to yours was an alcoholic zombie postman, right?
            Sounds like a good idea for a unique...
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • Seany C
              Swordsman
              • Apr 2007
              • 283

              #7
              If we're doing new uniques, I'm still waiting for a variant to inroduce Ka-Ching, the Creeping Coin Lord:
              "This creature is the epitome of all that is evil, in a pile of loose change.
              Glittering with silver, gold and precious stones, it creeps forward on
              thousands of legs like impending doom, ready to draw out your soul with its
              unearthly jingling. Flee its wrath!"

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              • ekolis
                Knight
                • Apr 2007
                • 921

                #8
                Originally posted by half
                I just received a very useful Sil bug report via email from someone who finished by saying:



                I think we need to change the question to make it easier, or to link to a page that explains it or something. I think even if it said:



                That would be enough to stop bots and still allow all the real people who want to join.

                Yeah, seriously - if I hadn't already registered by the time this was implemented, I probably would never have registered, and I'd probably think Angband was for elitist Tolkien nerds!
                You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI...
                You are surrounded by a stasis field!
                The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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                • Derakon
                  Prophet
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 9022

                  #9
                  The difficulty with having a flavorful captcha, clearly, is that eventually the spambots figure it out and start getting through anyway. Which I find kind of odd; I'd expect them to not want to dedicate the effort when there's millions of forums out there. Oh well.

                  Perhaps we should go with something like KittenAuth? I don't know how difficult plugging in a new captcha system is, though.

                  EDIT: hm, KittenAuth seems to be defunct. Oh well. The basic idea was that you have a bunch of images of various animals and you ask the user to identify a specific animal type (e.g. "which of these images is a panda?"). Computers are terrible at image recognition but humans are great at it.

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                  • ekolis
                    Knight
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 921

                    #10
                    Besides, I'm sure that in the time since KittenAuth has been developed, at least one AI has been developed that can recognize kittens...

                    (Of course, if AI's can recognize kittens now, maybe we can distract all the spambots with lolcats? )
                    You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI...
                    You are surrounded by a stasis field!
                    The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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                    • Derakon
                      Prophet
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9022

                      #11
                      Anyone who has solved computer vision has far better ways to make money than by spamming.

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                      • thapper
                        Adept
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 168

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Derakon
                        The basic idea was that you have a bunch of images of various animals and you ask the user to identify a specific animal type (e.g. "which of these images is a panda?"). Computers are terrible at image recognition but humans are great at it.
                        Code:
                        V    D    L    @    =
                        Which of these asciis is a dragon?

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                        • Derakon
                          Prophet
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9022

                          #13
                          Heh. Aside from the fact that you're discriminating against tiles players, that could work.

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                          • ekolis
                            Knight
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 921

                            #14
                            Well, dragon does begin with D - it's not something obscure like "which of these is a snake", and you have to figure out that it's a J because a J looks like a snake (despite S also looking like a snake AND being the first letter of snake)...
                            You read the scroll labeled NOBIMUS UPSCOTI...
                            You are surrounded by a stasis field!
                            The tengu tries to teleport, but fails!

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                            • PowerWyrm
                              Prophet
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 2987

                              #15
                              Originally posted by thapper
                              Code:
                              V    D    L    @    =
                              Which of these asciis is a dragon?
                              Which of these do you fear the most?

                              C A p P U
                              PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

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