[Announce] FrogComposband 7.1.salmiak released

[Pete Mack]

I am guessing modern (4.0 and later) would make for a way cleaner PosBand re-implementation than PCB. That codebase includes some of the worst old-school spaghetti code I have seen in a looong time.

[Nick]

Offhand, did the monster play come from Posband being merged into Cheng? That was the first variant I knew of that allowed Possessors and monsters. I had always thought Poscheng was a conflation of the two.

Yes, that's correct. Various people (including me) had tried to revive Posband, and then Chris came along and did it a million times better than all previous attempts.

[CyclopsSlayer]

I believe ZAngband 2.0.0, the direct ancestor of Frog, was forked from Vanilla Angband 2.8.1; so all versions of FrogComposband (and Composband and PosChengband and Chengband and Hengband, and ZAngband from 2.0.0 up) are ultimately based on V 2.8.1. Of course, they have come quite a long way since then...

Offhand, did the monster play come from Posband being merged into Cheng? That was the first variant I knew of that allowed Possessors and monsters. I had always thought Poscheng was a conflation of the two.

[lea2501]

I believe ZAngband 2.0.0, the direct ancestor of Frog, was forked from Vanilla Angband 2.8.1; so all versions of FrogComposband (and Composband and PosChengband and Chengband and Hengband, and ZAngband from 2.0.0 up) are ultimately based on V 2.8.1. Of course, they have come quite a long way since then...

Wow now i understand so many differences from say current vanilla, so they have splitted a lot now for sure

[Sideways]

So far im loving also the fact that different down stairs, lead to different dungeons branches, in vanilla angband all down stairs lead to the same dungeon and are not permanent if you go back. Its very different and also very nice.

Other question, the latest Frog version is based in which vanilla version?

I believe ZAngband 2.0.0, the direct ancestor of Frog, was forked from Vanilla Angband 2.8.1; so all versions of FrogComposband (and Composband and PosChengband and Chengband and Hengband, and ZAngband from 2.0.0 up) are ultimately based on V 2.8.1. Of course, they have come quite a long way since then...

[lea2501]

No, Warrens is the smallest and easiest dungeon. The dungeon of Angband, where Oberon and the Serpent of Chaos lurk, is northeast of Morivant (you can refer to the map at ?ag, where it's highlighted, if you have trouble locating it on the normal overworld map).

In coffee-break mode Angband is the only dungeon.

So far im loving also the fact that different down stairs, lead to different dungeons branches, in vanilla angband all down stairs lead to the same dungeon and are not permanent if you go back. Its very different and also very nice.

Other question, the latest Frog version is based in which vanilla version?

[Sideways]

ah! thank you for that, i just starting a few days back to play FrogComposBand and im enjoying it so much, that that will not be a problem after a while i think.

im playing a chaos high-mage, and i love the option of coffe-break, with no wilderness, i will try that when my current character die.

I saw that the first dungeon close to the town is called Warrens, its not "Angband" from vanilla angband, right?

No, Warrens is the smallest and easiest dungeon. The dungeon of Angband, where Oberon and the Serpent of Chaos lurk, is northeast of Morivant (you can refer to the map at ?ag, where it's highlighted, if you have trouble locating it on the normal overworld map).

In coffee-break mode Angband is the only dungeon.

[lea2501]

No; the stats can't be on the left in FrogComposband because there are multiple message lines, and if the stat sidebar were on the left it would get overwritten by messages all the time. (Message lines starting to the side would solve this problem, of course, but they would also look extremely ugly.) Vanilla Angband only has a single message line, which occupies the otherwise empty top row, so it can place the stat sidebar wherever it wants.

ah! thank you for that, i just starting a few days back to play FrogComposBand and im enjoying it so much, that that will not be a problem after a while i think.

im playing a chaos high-mage, and i love the option of coffe-break, with no wilderness, i will try that when my current character die.

I saw that the first dungeon close to the town is called Warrens, its not "Angband" from vanilla angband, right?

[Sideways]

ah thank you so much for that! another thing im not finding, its a way to move the stats to the left instead of the right, i played angband for so long that its so difficult to get used to it being on the right, also i play both games and i would want both having the stats on the left, its there a way to do so?

No; the stats can't be on the left in FrogComposband because there are multiple message lines, and if the stat sidebar were on the left it would get overwritten by messages all the time. (Message lines starting to the side would solve this problem, of course, but they would also look extremely ugly.) Vanilla Angband only has a single message line, which occupies the otherwise empty top row, so it can place the stat sidebar wherever it wants.

[lea2501]

ah thank you so much for that! another thing im not finding, its a way to move the stats to the left instead of the right, i played angband for so long that its so difficult to get used to it being on the right, also i play both games and i would want both having the stats on the left, its there a way to do so?

[Sideways]

I'm failing to find a source to read about the "Score" the weapons has, like, coming from vanilla angband, im confused on not seeing the average damage a weapon does, and the amount of attacks i could give in a giving turn.

Your average damage per round and blows per round with your current weapon(s) are shown on your Character Sheet (press Cm) as well as in the Knowledge Menu (~W). The "score" of a weapon (or any other item) is simply its nominal value; it matters if you sell or buy or reforge or insure or alchemize it, and is a rough indicator of how good the item is, but the highest-scoring item isn't always the best fit for your equipment.

[lea2501]

I'm failing to find a source to read about the "Score" the weapons has, like, coming from vanilla angband, im confused on not seeing the average damage a weapon does, and the amount of attacks i could give in a giving turn.

[Thraalbee]

Use it and see! A bit like chaos branded but more ... wild

[budswell]

Found my first ever Wild weapon (never heard of or seen one before). In item description it says:

Wild Weapon
Resist Dark, Sound
Free Action
Score 14.9k (L31)

So the "Wild Weapon" is in there like a special attribute or something.
What does it actually mean?

[lea2501]

You have built the game. Now you need to install it too:

sudo make install

But I'd add a --prefix $HOME/game to configure, so the game installs in $HOME/game and you don't need root to install it.

thank you so much! it now works and is installed in my home directory! thank you!