[Un] Unangband 0.6.2-gold released

[andrewdoull]

I seem to remember being unable to read books like Tricks and Bushcraft, but suddenly I can. Bug, was it always this way, is this a perk for hobbits? Was this what I was missing out on for choosing Wizardry as my specialty? If so, I feel very silly.

It is based on whether or not you picked a speciality.

Andrew

[andrewdoull]

Is it so grave, really? Is it the one you fixed while rebalancing for 60 DL? If so, it can't be backported easily...

It's not worth it. Basically, monsters with higher ac had fewer hit points than I intended.

Andrew

[thorgot]

I seem to remember being unable to read books like Tricks and Bushcraft, but suddenly I can. Bug, was it always this way, is this a perk for hobbits? Was this what I was missing out on for choosing Wizardry as my specialty? If so, I feel very silly.

[thorgot]

The dev version is not quite playable yet, and won't be for some time. A fixed gold is in the works, but it doesn't have the HP fix. I thought this is rather a minor imbalance, not a grave bug, but I've not seen the code in question...

Edit: At least I though it's been here for a long time. So, just dive faster if the initial uniques are weak.

I don't remember Nar taking a single lightning beam II, or the trolls each dying to a single torch.

But your plan sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially since the next guardian casts paralyze. Go go go!

[Bandobras]

The dev version is not quite playable yet, and won't be for some time. A fixed gold is in the works, but it doesn't have the HP fix. I thought this is rather a minor imbalance, not a grave bug, but I've not seen the code in question...

Edit: At least I though it's been here for a long time. So, just dive faster if the initial uniques are weak.

[thorgot]

Is it so grave, really? Is it the one you fixed while rebalancing for 60 DL? If so, it can't be backported easily...

Should I continue with this game (will all the uniques have this problem), compile from svn and load this game, or compile and restart?

[Bandobras]

I ran across some Water Orcs/Goblins during my last game. They seemed to pop out of the water itself. I believe it was in the Misty Mts. Nasty little buggers too.

Oh, now I remember, there are some water monsters in the sense they can hide in water (and possibly are not slowed even in deep water?). But they are not limited to water. I'm not sure about real fish...

[bonzo]

I am just curious: Are there also monsters living in water, like in zangband? I didn't see them yet.

I ran across some Water Orcs/Goblins during my last game. They seemed to pop out of the water itself. I believe it was in the Misty Mts. Nasty little buggers too.

[Bandobras]

Sounds nice, but this is not KISS, this would complicate the game rules logic.

Hmm, maybe it could work more like staff or wand or so?

More like it. With charges? Or like rods with charging? I'm thinking about adding activations to runes (or making them explode when thrown?) so I'm interested in related simple ideas.

But generating "longer" stairs going deeper or higher than next level would be also interesting - but maybe it would be too confusing..

With multiple, easily accessed dungeons, most very short (or will get shorter soon) and with depth limited to 60 I don't think it's so much fun as in O or other variants.

Its not only one case. I digged zig-zag corridor in wall and still get a few breaths ocassionally. But maybe they breath on floor before me or so..

That they do all the time.

I am just curious: Are there also monsters living in water, like in zangband? I didn't see them yet..

I'm not sure. If you don't see any for a long time, please report it as a bug or at least a feature request.

It would be also fun have possibility of fishing by pressing "g" in water Maybe it should work same way for getting apple from apple tree. Now I must destroy apple tree for getting apple...

Good idea with the fishing. But you also occasionaly get corpses of killed water monsters (fishes?), so it's a bit a duplicate feature. For the trees, don't you get any apples by trying to walk into them? If not, try standing in them and pressing 'I' (to spot an apple), then 'g' (to get it).

[Bandobras]

There's a hit point bug in gold that is fixed in development.

Is it so grave, really? Is it the one you fixed while rebalancing for 60 DL? If so, it can't be backported easily...

[lenochware]

Sounds nice, but this is not KISS, this would complicate the game rules logic.

Hmm, maybe it could work more like staff or wand or so?

Unfortunately it's hard to generate a level with a precisely given feeling. And just adding 5 to the level of monster and object generation seems too blank. Just choose a different dungeon or dive if you are not deep enough...


But generating "longer" stairs going deeper or higher than next level would be also interesting - but maybe it would be too confusing..

There are some cracked walls, etc. you can shoot/breath through, but not walk, or see through, etc.

Its not only one case. I digged zig-zag corridor in wall and still get a few breaths ocassionally. But maybe they breath on floor before me or so..

They are monsters, after all, not puny humanoids... Wear an item with ESP
and you'll be as one of them.

But I am powerful hero with cap of seeing and wizzard light. I am dangerous! And it irritates me, if some silly hound breaths on me and I can just teleport away, or go to him (receiving many breaths) until I can see him and destroy him. But ok, now I have sword giving me telepathy and nobody can hide before me.

btw. I drunk from fountain and it decrease my intelligence. Damn! - And you are true - it is marked now on fountain.

I am just curious: Are there also monsters living in water, like in zangband? I didn't see them yet. It would be also fun have possibility of fishing by pressing "g" in water Maybe it should work same way for getting apple from apple tree. Now I must destroy apple tree for getting apple...

[andrewdoull]

Something else weird is going on. Nar just died after being hit by a single Lightning Beam II. The Stone Trolls and Bill Ferny were also surprisingly easy.

There's a hit point bug in gold that is fixed in development.

Andrew

[andrewdoull]

That's a great idea! We have a few types of stairs so it'd be great if they influenced the type of monster and terrain ecology of the level the lead to. The only problem is, the type of the stairs is already influenced by the current ecology! So may end with a dungeon with Trolls and graveyard rooms from top to bottom if the first level is generated such! Hmmm, perhaps the stair terrain features should be totally random and exempt from the ecology considerations on the current level, only affecting the next one?

Already planned for - just not yet implemented in dev. Although I hadn't considered slime / dust / blood covered stairs: I may be able to work this in somehow.

[Big Al]

AFAIK, the acid bolt problem has been fixed in the svn source, and the detect power problem has been reported. Thanks for the info though.

Certain monsters in Un are susceptible to light (a lot of the orcs and trolls in particular) - the stone trolls are very easy, but only if you know the trick to hit them with light. I imagine that Nar is too.

[thorgot]

Something else weird is going on. Nar just died after being hit by a single Lightning Beam II. The Stone Trolls and Bill Ferny were also surprisingly easy.