Any original Moria players still around?

[bron]

Is it possible to kill the Balrog with melee without invulnerability? I don't know much about the big B.

Yes. The other simple way (besides invulnerability) is to use (multiple) Runes, which are *way* more effective in Moria than they are in Angband.

[HallucinationMushroom]

Huh, cool! Thx for the info, again. I used about 8 potions of invulnerability with my half-orc rogue to win. It felt cheesy at the time, but I was not about to retackle the game if I lost. I still have the save before the fight on an email account somewhere... maybe I'll go dredge it up.

[Malak Darkhunter]

(Rf) resist fire also really helped, lol, also level cap in moria was 40. I had a level 40 priest loved him.

[bron]

(Rf) resist fire also really helped, lol

Yes, very much so. Even with a Rune, the Balrog can still breathe fire, so having both permanent and temporary fire resistance (and of course, healing) is important (at least at the beginning of the fight, before you whittle down his HP).

[Malak Darkhunter]

Character race attributes where also different in moria, no high elves dunadan or kobolds. Beej's moria spoilers are going to be wonderful for faithfully recreating the game.

[nppangband]

Some huge differences in moria to angband ...
1. Targeting-angband has a much better targeting system

I am keeping the Angaband targeting systems. That was one of the main reasons I am choosing to upgrade moria to make it more playablerather than just download and play.

2. Pseudo ID- moria uses a very weak pseudo I'd system
Not sure how you want to approach that given the different views on I'd

Keep Angband pseudo-id for now. Warriors would be extremely difficult without it.

3. No monster escorts or vault groups, moria generally had solitary monsters that at best would only appear close together in bunches in vault rooms. And no uniques with escorts. ( I generally like this) less dungeon loot clutter from slain monsters.....and then there is the auto squelch that moria did not have.

I am not putting in any group monsters to start. I do need to make sure the # of monsters and objects are consistent with Moria, because there aren't nearly as many object drops.

4. No artifacts- holy avengers where generally the most sought for ego weapons
I think weapons of gondolin, and some angband ego's would still be nice however.

Probably. In porting the object list I realized how rare

5. See invisible was very rare as well as rings of speeds

Yep. On the other hand, the only necessary protections to win are SI, free action, the 4 resists, and 1-2 speed items.

6. No Id spell for priests, only Mage spells had Id , rogue, ranger, Mage had Id no other class did, and the game used only the basic spells, no artifact books.

Yes, thsi will stay.

7. Only +1 light radius, max, and no ego ego lanterns.

To start, I am sticking with the Angband method here. Lanterns are +2 (no ego-lanterns), and I am going to add the Phial as the games only artifact.

8. Stores only sold random stat potions in shops, you were never guaranteed to find that stat potion you need in town. Stores generally were very random in their merchandise , no fixed store inventory like in angband today.

That's now it will start out. Maybe eventually I will add in some NPP store services, but not to start.

I think this has the potential to be a very fun and very challenging game once it's fully implemented, Moria really really needed to be remade, and brought up to date, in this way it can still live.

I hope so. I have wanted to play it myself, but I can't quite give up all of Angband's UI improvements. So for me to update it just seemed to be the best solution.

[nppangband]

So far I have made better progress than expected. I finished all the edit files, and almost of the code changes for Moria object generation. In terms of total progress towards a playable beta, I think I am around 50% there.

[Malak Darkhunter]

Wow that's great! Glad things are going so well!

[Folk Star]

sounds great!

If i finish Moria before I die I will check it out.

My character is a level 38 and my stats are almost all maxed and I have two rings of speed so im getting there!

[Folk Star]

a couple questions for any who have advice

I am having bouts of indecision about my two weapons. And two armour items.
And I am wondering which to commit to, and enchant more if i can.

Weapons:
Mace (DF) (2d4) (+10,+8) [+9] (+2 to stealth) or
Two-Handed Sword (Claymore) (FB) (3d6) (+14,+19)

Armour:
Golden Crown of Regeneration [0,+6] or
Steel Helm [6,+9]

Pros, cons anyone?

My armour class is hovering around 100-ish give or a bit depending on the helm and weapon.

[Derakon]

Any reason you can't use both weapons? Carry one as a swap for when you don't need the abilities provided by the other.

I have no idea how well-balanced Moria's combat system is, but in Angband I'd take regeneration over a bit of AC any day.

[Malak Darkhunter]

Moria had the "x" xchar slot where you could swap weapons or a digger, wear/wield item slot A weapon and then press "x" to swap weapons and equip the new weapon in the slot, you can then press X to swap between weapons

[Folk Star]

Yeah i do carry them both. I know about the second weapon slot of course haha. That would be pretty awful if I didnt.
I was just curious what anyone's opinion on which is the better weapon to enchant and use as primary.
Anyway. Ill try the regeneration crown.

[Malak Darkhunter]

It looks like the claymore does a lot more damage....that being said I remember HA (holy avenger ) weapons to be the most powerful in moria. Does the defender give you see invisible? I can't remember exactly but if it does I would go with that as see invisible was quite rare in moria. A shooter weapon would be awesome in moria, but with the target path, and poor inventory sorting with old moria, I always found that very aggravating to manage

[nppangband]

It looks like the claymore does a lot more damage....that being said I remember HA (holy avenger ) weapons to be the most powerful in moria. Does the defender give you see invisible? I can't remember exactly but if it does I would go with that as see invisible was quite rare in moria. A shooter weapon would be awesome in moria, but with the target path, and poor inventory sorting with old moria, I always found that very aggravating to manage

In Moria, Holy Avenger does give See Invisible, but not free action. Defender weapons give both. There are only around 4-5 items that give either. I am considering adding rings of free action to give the player a little more options.

In the upcoming NPPMoria, there will be a bow slot just like in Angband.

I am still making decent progress. I finished Moria dungeons and a moria-like speed system. The code is still in alpha-state, but if I can keep this pace up I will definitely have a decent beta within a month.