Current master post-4.1.3

[wobbly]

New builds now on the nightlies page, with the following changes:

• The experiment of having object power calculations in a data file is over; it was intended to give players the opportunity to tweak these calculations, but the actual effect was that when I wanted to tweak them I couldn't easily even understand it. So the power code is now all back in obj-power.c. Also, the process of making the data file required some changes to power calculations, the effect of which roughly seems to have been to undervalue many weapons. So there is a gameplay result of this change, which I hope will be to nerf randart weapons a bit as Grotug and others have been calling for. I'm interested to hear how this plays out before making any other randart changes.

The price of cloaks has changed from 1 to 6 in the general store. It's identical to 4.1.3 in objects.txt so I'm assuming it changed when this changed? It's not necessarily a bad change, I'm just curious why prices changed & whether price changes were intentional.

[wobbly]

Started a kobold blackguard, default settings, angband.live & had 0 gold left after the starting kit.
Blackguard & necromancer's 1st book is still different. They are the only classes setup that way.
Ok I can see why I have no gold:

### BLACKGUARD ###
book:shadow book:town:[Dark Rituals]:4:shadow



spell:Dark Focus:8:5:5:8
### NECROMANCER ###
book:shadow book:town:[Dark Rituals]:5:shadow

book-graphics:?:P

book-properties:400:40:10 to 100



spell:Tap Unlife:7:0:50:3

[Ingwe Ingweron]

OK, I see this and it's very odd. Most of those red stars aren't actually objects. Further investigation required.

Couldn't remember if they were objects, or ignored objects that were just not showing up. Shouldn't be former objects that were picked up by monsters, as @ had just cast Detect Objects. If I remember right, didn't we have a similar issue with the red stars way back when you and I were seriously play-testing every aspect of the recode project?

[Nick]

Another one of those "9" levels; I haven't yet played through the level to see if the "9" was justified, but this is a different bug. Findirz is a Dunadan Rogue and has just cast Object Detection (twice in a row in fact, just to be sure I wasn't crazy). There are three red (*) unidentified, but clearly within range of the spell, while other items in that range were identified. Here is the savefile: [ATTACH]1725[/ATTACH]

EDIT: I also made a quick look around the level at the items and again the "9" seems unjustified. Oh, this is all on the latest Apr 29, 84ffecf82, nightly.

OK, I see this and it's very odd. Most of those red stars aren't actually objects. Further investigation required.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

OK, thanks, will follow that up.

Another one of those "9" levels; I haven't yet played through the level to see if the "9" was justified, but this is a different bug. Findirz is a Dunadan Rogue and has just cast Object Detection (twice in a row in fact, just to be sure I wasn't crazy). There are three red (*) unidentified, but clearly within range of the spell, while other items in that range were identified. Here is the savefile: Findirz.zip

EDIT: I also made a quick look around the level at the items and again the "9" seems unjustified. Oh, this is all on the latest Apr 29, 84ffecf82, nightly.

[Nick]

Something seems to have gone awry with treasure level feeling calculations, and I suspect it was somewhere in this change. I've had a @ scumming levels on DL97 and DL98 and have come across a rather large number of "Superb" "9" treasure feelings; so far, only one of those appeared to be legitimate.

OK, thanks, will follow that up.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

Ingwe,

Is it possible that you are ignoring things that are contributing to the level treasure feeling?

No, I used shift-k to unignore the levels when trying to figure out what I was missing. Something has definitely gone wrong with the treasure feeling.

[khearn]

Ingwe,

Is it possible that you are ignoring things that are contributing to the level treasure feeling?

[Ingwe Ingweron]

[*]The experiment of having object power calculations in a data file is over; it was intended to give players the opportunity to tweak these calculations, but the actual effect was that when I wanted to tweak them I couldn't easily even understand it. So the power code is now all back in obj-power.c. Also, the process of making the data file required some changes to power calculations, the effect of which roughly seems to have been to undervalue many weapons. So there is a gameplay result of this change, which I hope will be to nerf randart weapons a bit as Grotug and others have been calling for. I'm interested to hear how this plays out before making any other randart changes.

Something seems to have gone awry with treasure level feeling calculations, and I suspect it was somewhere in this change. I've had a @ scumming levels on DL97 and DL98 and have come across a rather large number of "Superb" "9" treasure feelings; so far, only one of those appeared to be legitimate.

[fph]

Bug report: while polymorphed, it's impossible to ignore objects. I think it's only a "convenience" UI option, and it should be excluded from the rule that polymorphed players cannot use objects.

[Nick]

I'd like to leave High Elves without an XP modifier for now - they were actually one of the reasons why I wanted it gone. Also, surely any argument that applies to them applies as well to Dunedain.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

It is much nastier (chance to drain STR and/or drain CON and/or drain XP every turn), but lasts a max of 10 turns. There is no cure but waiting

So, yep, either kill them with ranged attacks, hopefully with them out of line-of-sight so they can't summon, or TO them. Much too dangerous events to have happening during the final battles with Sauron and Morgoth.

[PowerWyrm]

birth.txt didn't get updated with the new classes/xp penalty changes

[Pete Mack]

Agree completely with Voovus. High elf is designed (perhaps unintentially) for diving, and should be encouraged to do so. The way to do that is with a big EXP penalty.
In contrast, mage is also designed for diving, but has so mucb trouble actually killing things, the EXP penalty doesn't make so much sense.

[Voovus]

No, but classes no longer have an XP modifier. My plan has always been that races won't either; also my current plan is to make that change and no others to races.

I quite like the existing penalty for High Elves. It makes them feel different from the rest, which I think is a good thing. However, the advantage that Humans currently get over other races is tiny. How about giving only Humans and High Elves XP modifiers for levelling, such as
Humans: 50% (translates roughly to +3 levels)
High Elves: 200% (translates roughly to -3 levels)