did Sauron actually own a mace?

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  • luneya
    Swordsman
    • Aug 2015
    • 279

    #16
    Originally posted by Mondkalb
    Yeah, but it is all messed up in Angband, because there are critters from the early time out of the Silmarillion as well as from the third age out of TLotR.
    Since Morgoth is in play, Sauron could still have the one ring just as well. Even with Bulroarer and Smeagol roaming around.
    If Morgoth is still around, then the rings of power shouldn't exist yet. The most powerful artifacts in the setting ought to be the Silmarils, and thus the Nauglamir (aka " Dwarves). But the necklace is actually fairly weak as things stand.

    V has always been a giant grab-bag of everything Tolkien and large chunks of D&D, with no particular effort to make thematic sense. I don't think it's plausible to fix that without making it an entirely different game. Which has in fact been done; it's called Sil.

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    • wobbly
      Prophet
      • May 2012
      • 2633

      #17
      Originally posted by luneya
      If Morgoth is still around, then the rings of power shouldn't exist yet. The most powerful artifacts in the setting ought to be the Silmarils, and thus the Nauglamir (aka " Dwarves). But the necklace is actually fairly weak as things stand.

      V has always been a giant grab-bag of everything Tolkien and large chunks of D&D, with no particular effort to make thematic sense. I don't think it's plausible to fix that without making it an entirely different game. Which has in fact been done; it's called Sil.
      I think this is kind of fixable and you see it in FA. There may be vorpal bunnies in West Belirand but there's enough tolkien for it not to really grate. Vanilla's the middle ground between kitchen sink & theme. Beholders are ok but there's too many of them. Minotaurs/titans are ok but if you give them a Greek name it highlights the disconnect. Same as named Crows bring back the tolkien.

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      • Pete Mack
        Prophet
        • Apr 2007
        • 6883

        #18
        The Titans are a particularly strange choice, as there are plenty of Norse giants thst could be used instead--as well as the two Tolkien giants in Sil.

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        • Nick
          Vanilla maintainer
          • Apr 2007
          • 9648

          #19
          Originally posted by luneya
          If Morgoth is still around, then the rings of power shouldn't exist yet. The most powerful artifacts in the setting ought to be the Silmarils, and thus the Nauglamir (aka " Dwarves). But the necklace is actually fairly weak as things stand.

          V has always been a giant grab-bag of everything Tolkien and large chunks of D&D, with no particular effort to make thematic sense. I don't think it's plausible to fix that without making it an entirely different game.
          Nonsense, I fixed it all with the quote on the splashscreen
          One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
          In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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          • Ancient Yeek
            Scout
            • Jul 2018
            • 35

            #20
            Don't change the one ring I found it and it's awesome... my precious...

            If anything buff the Activation. Losing 1/4 of your exp and stats makes it unusable in my opinion.

            Also finding the one ring at level 20 from Smeagol at 1/mil would be hilarious

            What I'd like to see is Slay Elves, Slay Humans, Slay Hobbits on weapons. It doesn't make sense that Grond is deliberately set up to destroy everything Morgoth created.

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            • Ingwe Ingweron
              Veteran
              • Jan 2009
              • 2129

              #21
              Originally posted by Ancient Yeek
              Don't change the one ring I found it and it's awesome... my precious...

              If anything buff the Activation. Losing 1/4 of your exp and stats makes it unusable in my opinion.

              Also finding the one ring at level 20 from Smeagol at 1/mil would be hilarious

              What I'd like to see is Slay Elves, Slay Humans, Slay Hobbits on weapons. It doesn't make sense that Grond is deliberately set up to destroy everything Morgoth created.
              You should check out Comp 164, won by PwrWyrm. You start as Bilbo, the hobbit, with Sting, Mithril Chain, and the "precious" One Ring. Object, win with the lowest possible experience, turncount doesn't matter.
              “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
              ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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