did Sauron actually own a mace?

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  • Sky
    Veteran
    • Oct 2016
    • 2321

    did Sauron actually own a mace?

    As seen in the recent Peter Jackson films, did Sauron fight with a warmace (according to Tolkien)??

    If so, should he drop it?

    I do like the idea of named drops, but sadly only Morgoth has them, when the game is over.

    Radagast could drop is boots, and so could Wormtongue. Grishnak could drop an orcish shield. Azog would drop a mace, and the Nazguls would drop their morgul blades. Gothmog would obviously drop his whip, and maybe Ancalong has Glaurung stashed somewhere. Perhaps Smaug could drop Bard's bow?
    "i can take this dracolich"
  • Nick
    Vanilla maintainer
    • Apr 2007
    • 9648

    #2
    No, no evidence of Sauron wielding any weapon. He did at times have a distinctive fighting style.
    One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
    In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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    • Huqhox
      Adept
      • Apr 2016
      • 145

      #3
      I think it's fair to say his weapons were treachery and guile, finding the greed and evil in others and using it to his advantage

      But that's a tricky thing to make into a useful drop...
      "This has not been a recording"

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      • Mondkalb
        Knight
        • Apr 2007
        • 982

        #4
        You could nerf The One Ring and have Sauron drop it. As it is now, it is probably too powerful
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        • Derakon
          Prophet
          • Dec 2009
          • 9022

          #5
          Originally posted by Mondkalb
          You could nerf The One Ring and have Sauron drop it. As it is now, it is probably too powerful
          Heresy. It should be ridiculously powerful, it contains the bulk of the power of an in-universe god. An in-universe god, it should be noted, that spends much of the timeline without access to said ring.

          I could see possibly making it more rare; it's not clear how often it's found these days but I feel like it might be more common now than it used to be.

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          • Mondkalb
            Knight
            • Apr 2007
            • 982

            #6
            As part of the myth the ring should of course be very powerful, but within gameplay it needs some restrictions.
            Maybe it should have more drawbacks? (If it were a regular drop from Sauron.)
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            • Derakon
              Prophet
              • Dec 2009
              • 9022

              #7
              Well, like I said, Sauron doesn't have the Ring. That's the entire motivation behind the LotR trilogy: he wants his ring back.

              If you want to link the Ring to a monster, give Smeagol a 1 in 1 million chance of dropping it.

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              • wobbly
                Prophet
                • May 2012
                • 2633

                #8
                TY cursed in Z-variants. Ag is enough, how often do you find it? It can be a fun combination
                OP and Ag.

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                • Mondkalb
                  Knight
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 982

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Derakon
                  Well, like I said, Sauron doesn't have the Ring. That's the entire motivation behind the LotR trilogy: he wants his ring back.

                  If you want to link the Ring to a monster, give Smeagol a 1 in 1 million chance of dropping it.
                  Yeah, but it is all messed up in Angband, because there are critters from the early time out of the Silmarillion as well as from the third age out of TLotR.
                  Since Morgoth is in play, Sauron could still have the one ring just as well. Even with Bulroarer and Smeagol roaming around.
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                  • Gwarl
                    Administrator
                    • Jan 2017
                    • 1025

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Derakon
                    Well, like I said, Sauron doesn't have the Ring. That's the entire motivation behind the LotR trilogy: he wants his ring back.

                    If you want to link the Ring to a monster, give Smeagol a 1 in 1 million chance of dropping it.
                    In poslikes it's a 1 in 666 chance and I've still never heard of anyone who actually found it from him.

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                    • wobbly
                      Prophet
                      • May 2012
                      • 2633

                      #11
                      Me. At about clvl 10. I was 1 not long after. Then blasted to smitherins

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                      • Sky
                        Veteran
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 2321

                        #12
                        I wouldnt use The One Ring even if i found it (again, that is), i feel too strongly about it being an object to be destroyed, not worn.

                        If anything the ring is too powerful ingame, its sole purpose in the book is to overcome the willpower of the other ring wielders. I always thought the *Base, ESP and other stuff, the ridonkolous +15 damage, were inappropriate,as was the activation.
                        The ring should inexorably lead the wearer to death - always. The current xp drain is laughable.





                        (Apparently Bilbo managed to drop the ring, so it's not permanently cursed. Maybe Gandalf had a ?*RCurse tucked away in his sleeves)
                        "i can take this dracolich"

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                        • Derakon
                          Prophet
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 9022

                          #13
                          Hobbits are canonically possessed of incredible willpower, which is both why Bilbo was able to release the ring of his own free will, and why Frodo and Sam were able to make it through to the Cracks of Doom in Mordor.

                          As for the ring's powers, so far as I know the only stated powers in-universe are invisibility, the ability to control the wearers of the Elven, Dwarven, and Human Rings of Power, and the ability to tempt its wearer into wearing it. It's literally the most desirable object in the setting. Denethor believes that with the Ring, Gondor could win the war against Mordor, and he might well be right, but it would inevitably corrupt whoever tried to use it and turn them to evil.

                          In order for it to be tempting to the player to wear, it needs to have some pretty ridiculous stats. The problem in Vanilla is how to represent the inevitable corruption and turning to evil of anyone who uses the ring. There's not a lot of scope for expressiveness in the current system. You could apply stat debuffs or drain HP or etc. but that just changes how tempting the ring is to wear in the first place and might encourage e.g. stashing it at home only to put it on for the last fight so you can benefit before the downsides kick in.

                          I would support changing ***WINNER*** to ***TYRANT*** (or something similar) if the player wins while wearing the One Ring.

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                          • EpicMan
                            Swordsman
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 455

                            #14
                            In TOME 2 before you can fight Morgoth you must get the One Ring (which is a probable drop from Sauron, who can appear again and again until the ring is taken) and either destroy it in mount doom (fighting Sauron one last time) or wear it. If you wear it, all the towns (Bree, Minas Tirith, Khazad Dum, and Gondolin) are destroyed and appear as burning ruins if you visit them.
                            Victory is easier if you use the One Ring, but it comes at a thematic cost.

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                            • Sky
                              Veteran
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 2321

                              #15
                              TOME 2 was so awesome ...
                              "i can take this dracolich"

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