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  • PowerWyrm
    Prophet
    • Apr 2008
    • 2986

    Bugs and issues in 4.1.2

    New thread for any problem encountered with the new release.

    Here's my results of testing the messages with known and unknown (flavored) items:

    - wands: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
    - offensive rods: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
    - support rods: "it can be activated" (unknown), "when activated..." (known)
    - activatable offensive item (for ex. a ring of ice): nothing (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)
    - activatable offensive artifact (for ex. Narthanc): "when activated..."
    - potion of dragon breath: "it can be aimed" (unknown), "when aimed..." (known)

    So here we have the following problems:
    - looking at unknown rods leaks info about them (aimed vs activated)
    - missing info on unknown activatable items
    - different info for known activatable normal items vs artifacts (aimed vs activated again)
    - looking at unknown potions of dragon breath leaks info about them
    - potions of dragon breath are not "aimed" anyway
    - looking at unknown activatable artifacts leaks info about them

    Fixes:
    - all unknown rods should say "it can be aimed" (since we ask for a direction anyway)
    - all unknown activatable items should say "it can be activated" (as it is obvious by pressing 'A' that they can)
    - known activatable artifacts should say "when aimed..." (like everything else that can be aimed)
    - unknown potions of dragon breath should say "it can be quaffed" (like every other potion)
    - known potions of dragon breath should say "when quaffed..." (since obviously you drink the potion, then fire or ice erupts from your throat...)
    - unknown activatable artifacts should say "it can be activated" until you walk on them and learn their name ('a dagger' -> 'Narthanc' or 'a bronze amulet' -> 'Carlammas')
    Last edited by PowerWyrm; December 22, 2017, 16:18.
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  • Derakon
    Prophet
    • Dec 2009
    • 9022

    #2
    Artifacts that activate for unaimed effects, like light or heal or teleport or whatever, should not be "aimed", they should be "activated". Only artifacts that, when activated, prompt the user for a direction or target should be "aimed".

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    • Grotug
      Veteran
      • Nov 2013
      • 1637

      #3
      75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

      You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
      You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

      Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?

      Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.
      Last edited by Grotug; December 23, 2017, 23:40.
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      • Nick
        Vanilla maintainer
        • Apr 2007
        • 9637

        #4
        Originally posted by Grotug
        75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

        You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
        You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

        Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?
        Once you're at fainting status (less than 250 turns of nourishment before you die, shows Faint at the bottom of screen) you have a random chance of fainting. So I imagine your !CLW didn't take you above the 250-turn limit, and you got a bad roll on the fainting. The solution is not to get to fainting status
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        • luneya
          Swordsman
          • Aug 2015
          • 279

          #5
          Originally posted by Grotug
          75 turns my left foot! 5 turns, maybe.

          You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.
          You feel very good, you have 3 !CLW. You're paralyzed! You are faint from hunger.

          Hey, wait a minute. I just quaffed a potion of CLW, and it says it feeds me for 75 turns, why am I immediately paralyzed again?

          Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.
          If you haven't seen scrolls of satisfy hunger and have unid'd scrolls, try reading them; maybe you'll get lucky. Also try unid'd potions, which might turn out to be juice or additional curing. If those don't help and you have recall, use it immediately, quaffing your CLW while waiting. Then kill some townsfolk for their single-digit gold drops, and buy food in the general store. Once you're no longer hungry, go farm DL 1 for replacement curing potions or cash to buy same, as you don't want to return to depths with anything dangerous while out of healing.

          If you don't have recall, you're probably dead. And as Nick said, there's no bug here, just pilot error. Never let a character get below hunger level "weak." If you're not carrying food and can't cast satisfy hunger, then start looking for food on the dungeon floor as soon as you hit "hungry," and if you hit "weak," recall immediately to go buy it.
          Last edited by luneya; December 24, 2017, 04:22.

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          • A Magical Lamp
            Rookie
            • Jul 2016
            • 14

            #6
            Originally posted by Grotug
            Wormtongue just stole all my coins (3400) and he was fleeing in fear and I had nothing to finish him off with given I only have melee attack. Now he is almost at full health, I'm out of food and fainting and my !CLWs are useless in staving off starvation.
            Wormtongue can cast heal, he'll drop all your coins when he dies though so just treat him as a temporary bank.

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            • PowerWyrm
              Prophet
              • Apr 2008
              • 2986

              #7
              Originally posted by luneya
              Also try unid'd potions, which might turn out to be juice or additional curing.
              I wouldn't recommend that when starving, as there's a better chance to get Salt Water than anything nourishing... worsening the problem.
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              • luneya
                Swordsman
                • Aug 2015
                • 279

                #8
                Originally posted by PowerWyrm
                I wouldn't recommend that when starving, as there's a better chance to get Salt Water than anything nourishing... worsening the problem.
                It depends on what you know. If there's a chance of the unknown being CSW or CCW, I'd take it; those are much more common than salt water. If you've already seen those two, then it's not worth the risk of quaffing the unknown unless you've also identified the salt water previously. (Perhaps that's how you got into the starvation mess in the first place.)

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  #9
                  Originally posted by luneya
                  It depends on what you know. If there's a chance of the unknown being CSW or CCW, I'd take it; those are much more common than salt water. If you've already seen those two, then it's not worth the risk of quaffing the unknown unless you've also identified the salt water previously. (Perhaps that's how you got into the starvation mess in the first place.)
                  Of course, that unknown potion could also be !poison, but, yeah, if you're moments from @ death, with no time to recall or get up stairs, then quaff away and hope for the best.
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                  • Tibarius
                    Swordsman
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 429

                    #10
                    artefacts lost on level

                    Shouldn't it be that way that if you enter a level and have the option to loose artifacts if you leave the level ON, that you notice the artefact with entering the level ? I lost about 20 artefacts without even noticing ... *wonder*

                    edit: I am rather sure now that i lost artifacts without noticing them at entering levels ... i watched for the pink $ sign and i missed some without the $ showing up.
                    Last edited by Tibarius; December 27, 2017, 00:17.
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                    • Ingwe Ingweron
                      Veteran
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 2129

                      #11
                      There is something slightly off in the damage calculations shown for weapons. The damage per blow amounts shown can change depending on whether viewed while @ has equipped the weapon, or whether viewed while in @'s pack. It used to be that the damage information shown was identical whether equipped or in pack, because any stat modifications, etc., from the weapon were taken into account as if equipped. Somehow, this nuance got lost in some of the coding changes for 4.1.2.
                      “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                      ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                      • Sky
                        Veteran
                        • Oct 2016
                        • 2321

                        #12
                        traps do not give XP until @ is down to DL5. however, if you reach DL5 AND THEN go back, all traps will give XP, even on DL1.
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                        • Gwarl
                          Administrator
                          • Jan 2017
                          • 1025

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                          There is something slightly off in the damage calculations shown for weapons. The damage per blow amounts shown can change depending on whether viewed while @ has equipped the weapon, or whether viewed while in @'s pack. It used to be that the damage information shown was identical whether equipped or in pack, because any stat modifications, etc., from the weapon were taken into account as if equipped. Somehow, this nuance got lost in some of the coding changes for 4.1.2.
                          What if the weapon itself provides stat bonuses? Or is examined while wielding another weapon with stat bonuses?

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                          • PowerWyrm
                            Prophet
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 2986

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Gwarl
                            What if the weapon itself provides stat bonuses? Or is examined while wielding another weapon with stat bonuses?
                            The code "wields" the weapon to display its stats, so it shouldn't matter. Is the weapon fully identified?
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                            • Ingwe Ingweron
                              Veteran
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 2129

                              #15
                              Originally posted by PowerWyrm
                              The code "wields" the weapon to display its stats, so it shouldn't matter. Is the weapon fully identified?
                              Yes, fully identified. I swear it's a bug, but maybe I'm wrong. However, the blow/damage information is different depending on wielding versus in the pack. It didn't used to be this way. I'm wondering if the bug was introduced in the December 9, 2017 commit or earlier?
                              “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
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