Identify nerfed in 4.1.0?

[Sky]

Imagine reading *Aquirement in town. You feel something roll under your feet. Pick up a Torch of Brightness?

[kandrc]

Imagine reading *Aquirement in town. You feel something roll under your feet. Pick up a Torch of Brightness?

This is a complete non sequitur. Kobold quaffs a potion. It doesn't ID. Kobold finds another such potion, now labeled "(tried)", and donates it for ID. This is somehow equivalent to reading *Acquirement* in town?

[Sky]

because *Aquirement is a high-depth, rare and valuable item, that can easily give you one or more artifacts; but, it does so based on the DL that you read it at, so you *need* to read it in the dungeon.
when i was noob i thought these scrolls were crap, so i ignored them (i didnt know squelch existed). this is because i would bring them back to town to read them.
reading one in town and getting a sword (+2,+2) or a torch of brightness is a huge loss, the same as casting *destruction in a vault and losing everything.

[fph]

That seems unrelated from the other ID issues, but you are right that this is another non-necessary "noob trap" in the game. Proposed solution: when read in town, *Acquirement* uses your recall depth as level. Should be a one-line change. Would that satisfy you?

[Ingwe Ingweron]

That seems unrelated from the other ID issues, but you are right that this is another non-necessary "noob trap" in the game. Proposed solution: when read in town, *Acquirement* uses your recall depth as level. Should be a one-line change. Would that satisfy you?

I think Acquirement is fine as is. You can save them up and read them deep down if you wish (though I don't recommend this), but you shouldn't get the benefit of depth saving them to read safely in town.

[Derakon]

Ehh, if you have access to town to begin with, then what's the harm in generating items as if they're at the player's recall depth? They could just recall, read the scroll, and recall again to accomplish the same effect.

The biggest argument against it that I can see is that it's not intuitively obvious that your max recall depth would govern the quality of the item. In which case another possible fix would be to hardcode the level of the items that the scrolls generate. Say, level 50 for Acquirement, and level 80 for *Acquirement*. Then the scrolls might actually be worth as much as Sky thinks they are.

[kandrc]

Another way to solve the problem would be an item rename. Maybe we could call them scrolls of summon squelched item?

[AnonymousHero]

Ehh, if you have access to town to begin with, then what's the harm in generating items as if they're at the player's recall depth? They could just recall, read the scroll, and recall again to accomplish the same effect.

The biggest argument against it that I can see is that it's not intuitively obvious that your max recall depth would govern the quality of the item. In which case another possible fix would be to hardcode the level of the items that the scrolls generate. Say, level 50 for Acquirement, and level 80 for *Acquirement*. Then the scrolls might actually be worth as much as Sky thinks they are.

Are chests still in the game? Maybe just use the same rule: Level found = level of items... with the additional stipulation that the scroll description actually mentions the level of item. (No idea if the chest descriptions do/did, but they should.)

[passer_by]

Level found = level of items... with the additional stipulation that the scroll description actually mentions the level of item.

I misread this as an even more interesting suggestion — that the scroll description should mention the actual items that will be generated. ("When read, it conjures forth The Flail 'Totila'.")