Identify nerfed in 4.1.0?

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • PowerWyrm
    Prophet
    • Apr 2008
    • 2986

    #16
    "Oracle of knowledge"
    ...
    PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

    Comment

    • Antoine
      Ironband/Quickband Maintainer
      • Nov 2007
      • 1010

      #17
      Originally posted by umoriamaster
      *turns around white potion repeatedly, staring intently.* *Casts Identify.* "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO IDENTIFY" *throws white potion at Filthy Street Urchin* "Potion misses, potion breaks, you have no more potions of *AUGMENTATION*" FML
      The Filthy street urchin looks more awesome! The Awesome street urchin hits! The Awesome street urchin hits! The Awesome street urchin casts a bolt of frost! You die...
      Ironband - http://angband.oook.cz/ironband/

      Comment

      • NimrodPE
        Scout
        • Jul 2017
        • 30

        #18
        Originally posted by PowerWyrm
        "Oracle of knowledge"
        Yes, your point? RL I'm studying engineering and now let's think "angbandish" and picture a mage with an item he doesn't know anything about. He creates the spell "Identify", because that's why it exists. Now the same mage or any other mage stumbles upon another unknown item but this item isn't a legal target for the spell (however this has metamagically to be explained). What is he going to do if he's not 100% absolutely conservative? He tweeks Identify or creates another spell to identify this unidentifiable item.

        My point is: From an engineering viewpoint it doesn't make sense to render potions/wands/rods/staves illegal in v4.1.0. If we were playing v1.0 I'd suggest to improve ID for future releases.

        Then again: As stated earlier, imho it's now better overall although it doesn't make sense that ID can't ID everything.

        Comment

        • Derakon
          Prophet
          • Dec 2009
          • 9022

          #19
          The first pass at rune-based ID removed all spell-based Identify, and there was a minor player revolt. I get the impression, though I could be wrong, that the complainers mostly play mages, in part precisely because mages don't have to deal with the "identification minigame", and they were peeved that they were now being forced to participate even in the weakened minigame that rune-based ID presented.

          So if anything that should be an argument for doing away with unidentified items entirely.

          Comment

          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9634

            #20
            OK, so what I'm hearing is change the name to Identify Rune, problem solved
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

            Comment

            • PowerWyrm
              Prophet
              • Apr 2008
              • 2986

              #21
              Originally posted by NimrodPE
              Yes, your point?
              Eye of the Beholder reference. In that game, there's a location where you can identify all your items.
              PWMAngband variant maintainer - check https://github.com/draconisPW/PWMAngband (or http://www.mangband.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=9) to learn more about this new variant!

              Comment

              • NimrodPE
                Scout
                • Jul 2017
                • 30

                #22
                Oh, sorry, unfortunately I never played this series ;(

                @Nick: Yup, that's a logical solution. Although I still wonder why no mage ever invented an "ID-every-item-spell" but gladly I'm not a mage in Angband ;D

                Comment

                • Pondlife
                  Apprentice
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 78

                  #23
                  Originally posted by NimrodPE
                  I still wonder why no mage ever invented an "ID-every-item-spell"
                  In nethack there's a really easy way to identify all your items :-)
                  Playing roguelikes on and off since 1984.
                  rogue, hack, moria, nethack, angband & zangband.

                  Comment

                  • krazyhades
                    Swordsman
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 428

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Pondlife
                    In nethack there's a really easy way to identify all your items :-)
                    lol! DYWYPI?

                    Comment

                    • kandrc
                      Swordsman
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 299

                      #25
                      Originally posted by krazyhades
                      lol! DYWYPI?
                      This works in Angband, too.

                      Comment

                      • Bostock
                        Swordsman
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 335

                        #26
                        DYWYPI
                        is my least favorite pie,
                        it makes me want to cry.
                        So you ride yourselves over the fields and you make all your animal deals and your wise men don't know how it feels to be thick as a brick.

                        Comment

                        • Mudd
                          Adept
                          • Oct 2016
                          • 107

                          #27
                          The one that's killing me in the early game is scroll of deep descent. I've almost given up on reading scrolls until I'm up a few levels.

                          Comment

                          • Estie
                            Veteran
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 2344

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Mudd
                            The one that's killing me in the early game is scroll of deep descent. I've almost given up on reading scrolls until I'm up a few levels.
                            I buy a magic mapping scroll along with phase door and clw for exactly this occasion. Usually when you descend, reading a map will find a staircase.

                            Comment

                            • wobbly
                              Prophet
                              • May 2012
                              • 2628

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mudd
                              The one that's killing me in the early game is scroll of deep descent. I've almost given up on reading scrolls until I'm up a few levels.
                              At worst just read recall straight away. You don't have to wait till descent kicks in. As long as you have the gold for a new recall scroll & don't mind starting back at dlvl 1 then deep descent is harmless.

                              Comment

                              • Pete Mack
                                Prophet
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 6883

                                #30
                                Or you can consider it an opportunity for fast level gain. It's especially fun as a mage. Detect like crazy, then search for a higher-level weak monster--especially a wolf, while avoiding everything else. BOOM! Cl 8 with a couple magic missiles and flasks of oil.


                                Originally posted by wobbly
                                At worst just read recall straight away. You don't have to wait till descent kicks in. As long as you have the gold for a new recall scroll & don't mind starting back at dlvl 1 then deep descent is harmless.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                😀
                                😂
                                🥰
                                😘
                                🤢
                                😎
                                😞
                                😡
                                👍
                                👎