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  • icefyre
    Scout
    • Nov 2016
    • 37

    Stat Swap potions for Paladins

    Hello all,

    I generally play a mage or a warrior and with both I find that stat swap potions really pay off. However, this is my first Paladin and it seems that there aren't that many throwaway stat for paladins.
    Wisdom - needed for spellcasing
    Constitution - needed for HP
    Dex + STR - needed for melee

    The only throwaway with a paladin seems to be Int.

    Is it still worth it to use stat swaps with a paladin? Would appreciate advice as I just found a potion of contemplation and I'm contemplating drinking it...


    Thanks!
    4
    Yes! Chug as many potions as you can!
    0%
    2
    No! Throw all stat swap potions into the Abyss and never look back!
    0%
    2
  • Pete Mack
    Prophet
    • Apr 2007
    • 6883

    #2
    Recommend stashing it at home til your melee stats are well above 18. Then you can afford to lose a point.

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    • icefyre
      Scout
      • Nov 2016
      • 37

      #3
      Originally posted by Pete Mack
      Recommend stashing it at home til your melee stats are well above 18. Then you can afford to lose a point.
      Sounds good, but the problem is that then I'll be stashing potions for 4 different stats and that will take up a lot of inventory slots. Are there any specific potions you would prioritize?

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      • PowerDiver
        Prophet
        • Mar 2008
        • 2820

        #4
        Originally posted by icefyre
        Sounds good, but the problem is that then I'll be stashing potions for 4 different stats and that will take up a lot of inventory slots. Are there any specific potions you would prioritize?
        Whatever is lowest?

        Stash them all, and then ask us what you're saving at home that we think you should toss.

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        • Pete Mack
          Prophet
          • Apr 2007
          • 6883

          #5
          In case you missed it, Eddie's point is there's very little you'll likely want to keep that you find while stat swap potions are still useful. Stat gain contributes way more to character power than that Elvenkind {Nether} you might use sometime

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          • Sky
            Veteran
            • Oct 2016
            • 2321

            #6
            am i missing the yet-another trick that makes stat swap useful?

            is it because you *could* gain more than 18/+10 points but only always lose 1/-10 points?
            "i can take this dracolich"

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            • Pete Mack
              Prophet
              • Apr 2007
              • 6883

              #7
              Yes. It's easy to gain stats after 18, but hard before. It's also easier to affect stats with equipment the closer you get to max. So trading high for low is a net win.

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              • Grotug
                Veteran
                • Nov 2013
                • 1637

                #8
                Originally posted by Pete Mack
                In case you missed it, Eddie's point is there's very little you'll likely want to keep that you find while stat swap potions are still useful. Stat gain contributes way more to character power than that Elvenkind {Nether} you might use sometime
                Wow, I would *never* toss a an Elvenkind rNether shield for a swap stat potion! Yowsers. If I want rNether at the very end, it will be in the shield slot since I have yet to find an endgame weapon that has rNether, and my amulet is either Trickery or Weaponmastery, my armor probably has pConf or rChaos.

                Personally, as Dwarf Paladin the only swapstat potions I quaff are STR and DEX (in general).
                Beginner's Guide to Angband 4.2.3 Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9c9e2wMngM

                Detailed account of my Ironman win here.

                "My guess is that Grip and Fang have many more kills than Gothmog and Lungorthin." --Fizzix

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                • Pete Mack
                  Prophet
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 6883

                  #9
                  I was thinking about armor. You'll be wearing something else by the endgame--either artifact or dwarven dragonscale armor (or PDSM). So why keep something you will never use? Better keep a consumable that you really foresee using.

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                  • Ingwe Ingweron
                    Veteran
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 2129

                    #10
                    The poll presents a false dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing choice, but a nuanced decision based on the particular situation. I believe the correct answer is, "sometimes".
                    “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                    ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                    • Derakon
                      Prophet
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 9022

                      #11
                      Per the thread title, I support the idea of replacing every potion with a paladin. Paladins for everyone!

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                      • Nick
                        Vanilla maintainer
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9637

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Derakon
                        Per the thread title, I support the idea of replacing every potion with a paladin. Paladins for everyone!
                        The potion mimic was really a ... paladin?
                        One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                        In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                        • klassik
                          Apprentice
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 89

                          #13
                          Anybody running a deal on paladins ?
                          He did the mash.
                          He did the morgoth mash.
                          The morgoth mash.
                          It was an angband smash.

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                          • icefyre
                            Scout
                            • Nov 2016
                            • 37

                            #14
                            Moot point, poor paladin met a Basilisk and died a horrible gruesome death. Onto the next!

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