Rune-based ID - yes or no?

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  • PowerWyrm
    Prophet
    • Apr 2008
    • 2986

    #16
    Yes for V. For my variant, I'll have to test that separately, since I have no idea how it will work in a multiplayer environement.
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    • Ingwe Ingweron
      Veteran
      • Jan 2009
      • 2129

      #17
      To my mind, rune-id is an unequivocal improvement and should be implemented. Although, before going into the main it still had a couple bugs to work out, most of which have been pointed out up-thread. Three that I didn't see, well one bug and then another two changes depending on consensus...
      - autoinscriptions still not quite working properly.
      - having to activate an item even though the rune is known, e.g., rings of digging, flame, etc. Even though examination reveals that everything is known about the object (no unknown runes), the item remains flavored until activated, though it would not always be obvious to a novice that activation was even an option let alone required.
      - having to id by use stat swap potions, banishment scrolls, etc. It seemed to me that opinions varied about whether this was a problem. I'm in the, "I don't like it, but I guess I can live with it" camp. Rune-id is such an overall improvement that if I have to live with this annoyance, so be it.
      “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
      ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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      • calris
        Adept
        • Mar 2016
        • 194

        #18
        Originally posted by Derakon
        Reread what they said: Acquirement is not worth keeping until later. And frankly, they're right.
        Ah yes, I see now.

        IMO we should replace Acquirement with, like, a jewel-encrusted chest that generates items as if it were 20 levels deeper than where you found the chest.
        Or ditch it completely - with the number of new vaults, I'm swimming in good, excellent, and artifact items. A few extra through Acquirement and *Acquirement* aren't really going to make any difference at all

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        • Estie
          Veteran
          • Apr 2008
          • 2347

          #19
          Voted yes, for the reasons Nomad expressed better than I could.

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          • Ingwe Ingweron
            Veteran
            • Jan 2009
            • 2129

            #20
            Originally posted by Nomad
            ...I find I'm dutifully playing one test game of each new update to the Traps/doors branch and then running back to play another half dozen games in the Rune-ID branch because it's so much more enjoyable to play.
            +1 here. I find myself doing the exact same thing!
            “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
            ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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            • Carnivean
              Knight
              • Sep 2013
              • 527

              #21
              We know from a previous thread that Evgactip (hopefully spelling that right) didn't like the idea, and now we have 2 no voters. I think it would be good to hear their objections at some point, as this thread contains mostly positive votes with a few that are ambiguous. They might be intractable, or they might yet be won over.

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              • debo
                Veteran
                • Oct 2011
                • 2402

                #22
                I was one of them, but I think I'm a special case. I categorically hate the id game in its entirety. I don't understand why we have a mechanic in a game that takes a billion years to play that generates maybe 2-3 interesting situations per game, and distraction for the rest. But there's no accounting for taste, I guess. The only thing I like about it in V trunk right now is that it's pretty easy to ignore.

                I did actually play runeid a bit and it's basically impossible to avoid the kinds of silly crap that I hate doing in most bands. So, I don't think my opinion should count for anything here. (Plus, I have rocketband now, which is clearly superior to V in every way.)
                Last edited by debo; April 9, 2016, 16:06.
                Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  #23
                  Debo, did you notice that Nick added a birth option for all runes to be known from the start?
                  “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                  ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                  • Derakon
                    Prophet
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9022

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                    Debo, did you notice that Nick added a birth option for all runes to be known from the start?
                    I think that's what he was referring to with the "it's pretty easy to ignore" bit.

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                    • Nick
                      Vanilla maintainer
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9637

                      #25
                      Just pushing this back to the front page.
                      One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                      In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                      • sandtrap
                        Scout
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 26

                        #26
                        In Favor but don't give the spell casters Identify

                        I am 100% in favor.

                        I was amazed by the version where spellcasters did not have identify. That is the version I would like to see.

                        I am still 100% in favor of the current build.

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                        • Nick
                          Vanilla maintainer
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9637

                          #27
                          Front page again.
                          One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                          In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                          • Nick
                            Vanilla maintainer
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9637

                            #28
                            Poll closes in a couple of days
                            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
                            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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                            • Xan
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2016
                              • 1

                              #29
                              Hey, only recently started playing (about 2 months ago, been lurking these forums since ) so take this post as such.

                              Although I have not won a game yet, I have repeatedly gotten to the point where I found myself buying ludicrous amounts of staves of indentify on non magic characters to keep up with the identify game starting around dlvl40+.

                              I have followed the development of the runeid branch and found that it has pretty much entirely replaced 4.0.4 for me.

                              I think it's a great improvement and voted in favour as a result.

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                              • Gorbad
                                Apprentice
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 74

                                #30
                                I am also less eloquent than some other posters, but I enjoy novelty over certainty, so I'd always give things a shot, with the knowledge that everything can be rolled back.

                                Besides that, apart from a few niggles, the rune-Id system is not perfect, but far superior in general 'gameplay' feeling to the old Id (which was already streamlined from needing *Id* for everything worth keeping).

                                So, in general, don't hold back a new feature because it is not 100% perfect, only hold back if it is not marginally better than the current situation. Specifically, I find Rune-Id better than 'old'-Id.

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