I think he wants them back

[wobbly]

I'm a little surprised the phial doesn't give rdark.

[Timo Pietilä]

I'm a little surprised the phial doesn't give rdark.

(repeated) IMO Phial should be the strongest of the light sources. Other two are just trinkets, Phial is made as light source.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

(repeated) IMO Phial should be the strongest of the light sources. Other two are just trinkets, Phial is made as light source.

I don't think of the other two as mere trinkets. Am I missing something from Tolkien lore?

[Derakon]

I don't think of the other two as mere trinkets. Am I missing something from Tolkien lore?

The Arkenstone is just a really fancy gem, isn't it? The Star of Elendil may contain some of the light of the Silmarils though.

[Bimbul]

I ditched the Phial for Star of Elendil last game - mapping was more useful since I was a rogue with cast light spell.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

The Arkenstone is just a really fancy gem, isn't it? The Star of Elendil may contain some of the light of the Silmarils though.

"t was a globe with a thousand facets; it shone like silver in the firelight, like water in the sun, like snow under the stars, like rain upon the Moon!"

"The Arkenstone shone of its own inner light, and appeared a little globe of pallid light in darkness, and yet, cut and fashioned by the Dwarves, it took all light that fell upon it and changed it into ten thousand sparks of white radiance, shot with glints of the rainbow."

Some say that the Arkenstone is in fact, the Silmaril of Maedhros, but there is no evidence one way or the other.

[Derakon]

"t was a globe with a thousand facets; it shone like silver in the firelight, like water in the sun, like snow under the stars, like rain upon the Moon!"

"The Arkenstone shone of its own inner light, and appeared a little globe of pallid light in darkness, and yet, cut and fashioned by the Dwarves, it took all light that fell upon it and changed it into ten thousand sparks of white radiance, shot with glints of the rainbow."

Some say that the Arkenstone is in fact, the Silmaril of Maedhros, but there is no evidence one way or the other.

Okay, if we treat it as a Silmaril then it deserves to be the highest light source, since the Star and Phial merely contain a fragment of a Silmaril's light (er, I think).

[krugar]

Okay, if we treat it as a Silmaril then it deserves to be the highest light source, since the Star and Phial merely contain a fragment of a Silmaril's light (er, I think).

Sort of. The Phial is sort of the fork of a fork of the original code
It contains a portion of water from Galadriel's fountain which she claims holds the light of the Two Trees. Since this light has been said to be preserved only in the Silmarils, I quite never understood Galadriel's claim.

The Star however is one of the three Silmaril. The one currently sent to the skies. The other two are lost in the earth and the sea.

EDIT: Nevermind that last paragraph. That would be the Star of Earendil, not Elendil... I just realized what "Star" the game is referring to, and the names have always been confusing to me. However, there were two gems called the star of Elendil. The first was the real artifact, the second was just a copy made after the first was lost. I doubt the second contained the light of the Two Trees, because the Silmarils were already lost by the time Isildur died and the original gem was lost...

[Bimbul]

Since the Sun and the Moon are both the last fruits or Laurelin and Telperion - it is manifest that the light is not only in the Silmarils.

Getting consistency out of the unfinished writings of Tolkien is never going to happen.

Also since the evening star is a Slimarll (and imagine how bright it would be up close and personal) I find it hard to imagine that a silmaril would shine with a 'pallid' light - so personally I'd reject the proposal that the Arkenstone was Maedhros' silmaril.

[Nick]

It contains a portion of water from Galadriel's fountain which she claims holds the light of the Two Trees. Since this light has been said to be preserved only in the Silmarils, I quite never understood Galadriel's claim.

I think all Galadriel says is that it holds the light of Eärendil's Star - which in fact is a Silmaril. The Star of Elendil was an "Elvish crystal", and I would take the idea of the Arkenstone being a Silmaril with a grain of salt.

All in all, I don't know precisely which order I'd put them in if starting afresh, so I'm inclined to say leave them where they are. It's also worth noting that the Phial's activation is spot on.

[krugar]

Since the Sun and the Moon are both the last fruits or Laurelin and Telperion - it is manifest that the light is not only in the Silmarils.

Getting consistency out of the unfinished writings of Tolkien is never going to happen.

I'm with the dwarves; The elves are full of it

The Star of Elendil was an "Elvish crystal"

Note that the first one -- the one lost with Isildur death and only later found after Sauron's defeat -- was reputedly something more. Isildur's death was a direct result of the gem shining brighter and reddish "in anger" when Isildur put the One Ring, and thus betraying his position to the orcs. (Unfortunately on the movies, the ring is said to have betrayed Isildur. Most certainly not.)

The second one was indeed a simple elvish gem, with no known special properties.

[Bimbul]

I think you can get away with saying the Ring can betray its keeper provided that person/being is not Sauron.

After all it 'betrayed' both Gollum (escaping from him when the dark power reawoke in Dol Guldur) and Frodo (betraying his presence to the Nazgul in Bree iirc). So personally I think you can stretch that to it betraying him the Gladden Fields.

I know what you mean though.

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