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  • Bimbul
    Adept
    • Sep 2015
    • 140

    #16
    Originally posted by Rowan
    I've been playing priest since I started last year- learning pretty much everything the hard way, no monster spoilers etc.
    Respect - dunno why people play roguelikes in any other way. The fun is in those days of learning.

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    • Rowan
      Adept
      • Sep 2014
      • 139

      #17
      Originally posted by Bimbul
      I've yet to meet such a thing as a power dragon - but I saw on the ladder someone found that power dragon scale mail. Me wants it, now!

      A good drop early makes a world of difference - green dragon scale mail on my current priest has already made it my best priest ever and I've not been trouble at all yet really since - kiss of death here too - once more
      I don't know whether or not there is such a thing as a "power dragon" enemy. It makes sense that there would be if there's mail, but I've never seen one. This is the first time I've found the mail, and yeah. This is not coming off any time soon.

      Still going strong here too, though! In spite of talking about how easy this run is, haha.

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      • Philip
        Knight
        • Jul 2009
        • 909

        #18
        Power dragons exist in several variants. In O they breathe more or less everything, summon dragons, appear with dragons as escorts and can tunnel through walls. I always found it annoying that V had scales from a monster that doesn't exist. I mean, sure, extinction happens, but it doesn't feel right.

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        • Zikke
          Veteran
          • Jun 2008
          • 1069

          #19
          Originally posted by Rowan
          I don't know whether or not there is such a thing as a "power dragon" enemy. It makes sense that there would be if there's mail, but I've never seen one. This is the first time I've found the mail, and yeah. This is not coming off any time soon.

          Still going strong here too, though! In spite of talking about how easy this run is, haha.
          In Vanilla the Power Dragon mail is based on the Great Wyrms of Many Colours which more or less can breath everything and are immensely upgraded versions of the Ancient Multi-hued Dragons.
          A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
          A/FA W H- D c-- !f PV+++ s? d P++ M+
          C- S+ I- !So B ac++ GHB? SQ? !RQ V F:

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          • Derakon
            Prophet
            • Dec 2009
            • 9022

            #20
            Originally posted by Zikke
            In Vanilla the Power Dragon mail is based on the Great Wyrms of Many Colours which more or less can breath everything and are immensely upgraded versions of the Ancient Multi-hued Dragons.
            GWoMC just has the base elements + poison. Great Wyrms of Power don't exist in Vanilla, as noted, but many variants have seen fit to add them.

            Side note: Power Dragon Scale Mail used to provide resistance to every element possible; now it's missing nexus and nether (it's basically balance DSM + multihued DSM + Pseudo DSM). IMO this is a bug. Can we please get it fixed?

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            • Estie
              Veteran
              • Apr 2008
              • 2345

              #21
              Originally posted by Derakon
              GWoMC just has the base elements + poison. Great Wyrms of Power don't exist in Vanilla, as noted, but many variants have seen fit to add them.

              Side note: Power Dragon Scale Mail used to provide resistance to every element possible; now it's missing nexus and nether (it's basically balance DSM + multihued DSM + Pseudo DSM). IMO this is a bug. Can we please get it fixed?
              I have always wondered why anyone would make a "resist all except nexus" item. I approve of changing it to "resist all elements", which means it should probably stop protecting from confusion.

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              • Rowan
                Adept
                • Sep 2014
                • 139

                #22
                Originally posted by Philip
                Power dragons exist in several variants. In O they breathe more or less everything, summon dragons, appear with dragons as escorts and can tunnel through walls. I always found it annoying that V had scales from a monster that doesn't exist. I mean, sure, extinction happens, but it doesn't feel right.
                If there were dragon extinction in Angband, I would bet it would not be power dragons that would go extinct Now, the poor golds and greens, maybe....

                Originally posted by Derakon
                Side note: Power Dragon Scale Mail used to provide resistance to every element possible; now it's missing nexus and nether (it's basically balance DSM + multihued DSM + Pseudo DSM). IMO this is a bug. Can we please get it fixed?
                Would it not then need to be even more rare, though? Even as it is, just find another good artifact or two and you're completely covered.

                Also curious- has there ever been resistance to things like water, raw mana, etc? They don't even show up as possible resistances on the character sheet, if I remember right.

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                • Ingwe Ingweron
                  Veteran
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 2129

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Rowan
                  Also curious- has there ever been resistance to things like water, raw mana, etc? They don't even show up as possible resistances on the character sheet, if I remember right.
                  Mana is unresistable. If I remember right, the "water" is a combination of two (I don't remember which ones) elements to get resist (and the resist is only for the effects, not the damage). I could be wrong.
                  “We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
                  ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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                  • Derakon
                    Prophet
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9022

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ingwe Ingweron
                    Mana is unresistable. If I remember right, the "water" is a combination of two (I don't remember which ones) elements to get resist (and the resist is only for the effects, not the damage). I could be wrong.
                    None of the "high" elements can be resisted damage-wise. You can acquire protections from some of their effects, e.g. pStun will protect you from the stunning caused by plasma attacks, and pConf from the confusion caused by water attacks. But there is no resistance (or combination of resistances) that gives protection from the attack itself. This is a good thing: the player should never feel like they have protection from everything, as it just leads to complaints when they die anyway.

                    Originally posted by Rowan
                    Would it not then need to be even more rare, though? Even as it is, just find another good artifact or two and you're completely covered.
                    Its rarity didn't decrease when it lost nexus/nether resist, so it shouldn't increase when it gets them back. Power DSM is one of those "once every 100 runs" types of item; it should be amazing.

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                    • Bogatyr
                      Knight
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 525

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Rowan
                      If there were dragon extinction in Angband, I would bet it would not be power dragons that would go extinct Now, the poor golds and greens, maybe.....
                      The bronzes went extinct . And good riddance: breathing confusion? Ugh, horrible.

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                      • Egavactip
                        Swordsman
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 442

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Derakon
                        Its rarity didn't decrease when it lost nexus/nether resist, so it shouldn't increase when it gets them back. Power DSM is one of those "once every 100 runs" types of item; it should be amazing.
                        I was suitably amazed last month when I got one.

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                        • brbrbr
                          Adept
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 110

                          #27
                          Well, I had so much fun with Dwarf.
                          Somewhere on level 86 I get SO CONFIDENT, that kept my finger on the keyboard and missed two chaos breaths from Jabberwock.
                          Rookie mistake, overconfidence (1000 HP, +26 perm speed, ~200 AC, Narya, stats maxed, what could kill me?

                          Started over, get to dl 41 in just 2 hours of play
                          That is the thing with my favorite character - I do not mind starting over, still having fun.

                          Question about fighting Morgoth. Two options here: bows or melee. If I choose melee, will he stun me? Should I hold on to Crown of Serenity?

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                          • Derakon
                            Prophet
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 9022

                            #28
                            Originally posted by brbrbr
                            Well, I had so much fun with Dwarf.Question about fighting Morgoth. Two options here: bows or melee. If I choose melee, will he stun me? Should I hold on to Crown of Serenity?
                            He can cause stunning just like any big-melee enemy can cause stunning, but he isn't unusually proficient at it like Grand Master Mystics are. Just chug a healing potion when you get stunned. I mean, if you don't have anything better to do with your head slot then Serenity isn't an awful choice, but it's by no means required and you'll probably find something better to use.

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                            • Rowan
                              Adept
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 139

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Derakon
                              Power DSM is one of those "once every 100 runs" types of item; it should be amazing.
                              Wow, cool! I didn't know it was that rare- found it on level 36, too, so I've been sitting pretty for a while now.

                              Originally posted by brbrbr
                              Started over, get to dl 41 in just 2 hours of play
                              That is the thing with my favorite character - I do not mind starting over, still having fun.
                              Man, sorry you died. Sometimes I insta-restart just to keep my momentum going, but a lot of times I don't feel like touching it for a week or so after a tragic death.

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                              • Bogatyr
                                Knight
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 525

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Rowan

                                Man, sorry you died. Sometimes I insta-restart just to keep my momentum going, but a lot of times I don't feel like touching it for a week or so after a tragic death.
                                I usually want to jump right back in to the fray and find and take revenge on the monster type that killed me. So this time, it's grave wights. Grave wights! Can't remember the last time one of those got me. I was clearing out a graveyard in my usual style, and somehow (I swear I was hasted) a grave wight got a double move on me, and cast its cause wounds spell two moves in a row for close to max damage each time (thanks, RNG!). Gnome mage still had flea-level HP at that point. Next time around, I cleared out the next graveyard via a hockey-stick and toyed with the grave wights with magic missiles before finally fire bolting their undead asses into oblivion.

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