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I would like to see "Long Range" be added as a possible attribute of missile weapons, so that, deep down in the dungeon, one could possibly find an artifact (let's say) that is a double-range sling.
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Range is, IIRC, determined by the multiplier on the weapon, so a Sling of Extra Might should have longer range than a normal Sling. -
Double-range would be completely overpowered. As it stands now, in the hands of all but a Ranger a high-powered Sling of Buckland is the most powerful launcher possible (and it is *Incredibly* high-powered). Combine that with Holy Might Shots and Morgoth is quickly toast. A Ranger wants Belthronding, but even then there are some Lothlorien Bows that can outperform Belthronding. The range of these weapons is, what, 140 or 150 feet. In the dungeon that is quite sufficient. Maybe you're thinking of Rockets?! Talk to Debo about that.
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And just because I've never cared much about ranged weapons except for passive effects on any character besides rangers, why are Slings of Buckland so powerful? Does it have more shots/turn than others like the "death by a million cuts" dagger strategy?Double-range would be completely overpowered. As it stands now, in the hands of all but a Ranger a high-powered Sling of Buckland is the most powerful launcher possible (and it is *Incredibly* high-powered). Combine that with Holy Might Shots and Morgoth is quickly toast. A Ranger wants Belthronding, but even then there are some Lothlorien Bows that can outperform Belthronding. The range of these weapons is, what, 140 or 150 feet. In the dungeon that is quite sufficient. Maybe you're thinking of Rockets?! Talk to Debo about that.A(3.1.0b) CWS "Fyren_V" NEW L:50 DL:127 A++ R+++ Sp+ w:The Great Axe of Eonwe
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Slings of Buckland have extra shots and extra might. I had a +2,+2 (might, shots) in a recent game with a gnome mage, so that was a x4 launcher with 3 shots/turn, something like (+22, +22) to-hit/to-dam, so it did almost 300/turn shooting before even counting the shots. With shots of Holy Might, you're looking at 600-800 per turn against Morgoth. Simply shooting plain unenchanted iron shots from the thing can take down most uniques pretty fast. It is incredibly fun to use.Comment
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On one lucky occasion, I had a fully-powered Sling of Buckland (i.e., x2 extra might and x2 extra shots) and very powerful Holy Might shots that combined did something like 1080 or 1100 per turn against Morgoth. Needless to say, he went down fast. No weapon or spell could come close to that damage output. A ranger can get there with Belthronding and Holy Might Arrows, a Warrior might get there with an incredible weapon like Deathwreaker, but there is nothing else so powerful in the game. Of course, Holy Might shots are very hard to find.“We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
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In fact my gnome mage that had that great SoB and HM shots also had Deathwreaker. It never rains but it pours. I tried a little bit of everything against Morgoth, but the shots were great. Of course, he wasn't hitting 100% with the shots, but probably 2 out of 3, which was still pretty good.Comment
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“We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
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A Sling of Buckland is not the only missile weapon in Angband, nor is "double-range" the only possible range longer than normal range. If there are Long Bows of Accuracy, there should/could be Long Bows of Extra Range.Double-range would be completely overpowered. As it stands now, in the hands of all but a Ranger a high-powered Sling of Buckland is the most powerful launcher possible (and it is *Incredibly* high-powered). Combine that with Holy Might Shots and Morgoth is quickly toast. A Ranger wants Belthronding, but even then there are some Lothlorien Bows that can outperform Belthronding. The range of these weapons is, what, 140 or 150 feet. In the dungeon that is quite sufficient. Maybe you're thinking of Rockets?! Talk to Debo about that.Comment
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Maybe long range ammunition instead of shooter? The multiplier affecting the range kind of makes sense (faster speed for ammo), but ammunition could also have range-extending capabilities so that they fly farther than normal with same initial speed. One grid / PVAL +1.Comment
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Why do you think that longer range would be a good idea? Rangers are already good at pinning down enemies from far away, and I don't think they need another bonus on this respect.
Given the average room size, the shooting radius looks ok to me as it is.
If anything, I would aim to reduce the distance scale of the game, to mitigate "the drolem (offscreen) breathes, you die" problems and try to be more tablet-friendly.--
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Throwing and very early game short bows and slings have pitiful range. You could create throwing weapons with decent range if those weapons could have attribute for range. Currently whole flag doesn't exist, so it would require code change.
You could of course restrict that as ego for ammunition so that branded ammo can't be extra range ammo.Comment
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“We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see.”
― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are DeadComment
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