New player...

[Bimbul]

Yeah I know how to handle summons to some extent, they happen in Nethack too - Master Lich summons 10 major demons and another Master Lich which then summons another 10 major demons etc and you're in schtuck. In Nethack you can't just run away either as that level will always remain like that - they don't disappear every time you go up and down a staircase. That's why we genocide Master Lich's as a matter of course unless you fancy a proper hard time completing it.

Speed v Nexus - that's what I thought and then immediately got blasted by a surprise attack by a nexus vortex upon descending
Fortunately as a dwarf I seemed to resist it's effects through a saving roll.

I shall remain wary though - my stats are all 18/something except for intelligence which is still 12. A swap through a nexus attack might be significantly disadvantageous.

I do start to get why it's a bad move to attack everything. Losing half your stuff through fireball attacks by multiple foes worth 300 XP each is just attrition that's not helpful.

[Bimbul]

Dead - adds Master Mystic to the creatures to be fearful of

I expect many of you would have won the game with this character - it was very very promising.

 Name   Umen         Age             39          Self  RB  CB  EB   Best
 Race   Dwarf        Height        3'7"   STR:  18/85  +2  +1  +3 18/145
 Class  Paladin      Weight    5st 11lb   INT:     15  -3  -3  +4     13
 Title  Chevalier    Turns used:          WIS:     15  +2  +1  +4  18/40
 HP     -13/511      Game        996803   DEX! 18/100  -2  -1  +5 18/120
 SP     67/69        Standard    106666   CON:     16  +2  +2  +3  18/50
                     Resting      10597

 Level                 36    Armor      [32,+87]    Saving Throw     76%
 Cur Exp           822694                           Stealth          Bad
 Max Exp           822694    Melee        2d8,+8    Disarming        51%
 Adv Exp           852500    To-hit       69,+16    Magic Devices     63
                             Blows      5.3/turn    Perception   1 in 28
 Gold              172236                           Searching        29%
 Burden         157.8 lbs    Shoot to-dam    +15    Infravision    50 ft
 Speed                 10    To-hit       49,+14
 Max Depth    2500' (L50)    Shots        2/turn

 You are the only child of a Dwarven Miner.  You are a credit to the
 family.  You have dark brown eyes, straight black hair, a one foot
 beard, and a dark complexion.


rAcid:......+.+.... Nexus:.............
rElec:.+....+.+.... Nethr:......+......
rFire:.+....+.+.... Chaos:.............
rCold:.+....+.+.... Disen:+............
rPois:...+......... pFear:.............
rLite:..........+.. pBlnd:.........+..+
rDark:............. pConf:.........+...
Sound:............. pStun:.............
Shard:.......+..... HLife:......+......

Regen:....+........ Stea.:.......+.....
  ESP:............. Sear.:.........+...
Invis:.........+... Infra:............+
FrAct:..........+.. Tunn.:............+
Feath:............. Speed:.+.....+...+.
S.Dig:.+........... Blows:+............
ImpHP:............. Shots:.+...........
 Fear:............. Might:.+...........
Aggrv:............. Light:.....+....+..


  [Last Messages]

> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The Master mystic kicks you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The Master mystic misses you.
> The Master mystic hits you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> You resist the effects!
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The Master mystic kicks you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The Master mystic kicks you.
> *** LOW HITPOINT WARNING! ***
> The Master mystic hits you.
> You die.
> You resist the effects!

Killed by a Master mystic.

  [Character Equipment]

a) the Battle Axe 'Lotharang' (2d8) (+14,+13) <+3, +1>
     Dropped by MÓm, Betrayer of Turin at 1900 feet (level 38)
     
     +3 strength.
     +3 dexterity.
     +1 attack speed.
     Slays orcs, trolls.
     Provides resistance to disenchantment.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     
     When activated, it heals 40 hitpoints, cut damage, and cures
     blindness and confusion.
     Takes 8 to 12 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 91.4%
     
     Combat info:
     5.3 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 5.5 blows
     With +0 STR and +3 DEX you would get 5.7 blows
     Average damage/round: 204.5 vs. orcs, 204.5 vs. trolls, and 100.9
     vs. others.
     
b) the Short Bow of Amras (x3) (+12,+15) <+2, +1>
     Dropped by Sangahyando of Umbar at 1600 feet (level 32)
     
     +2 intelligence.
     +2 wisdom.
     +2 dexterity.
     +1 speed.
     +1 shooting speed.
     +1 shooting power.
     Provides resistance to lightning, fire, frost.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Slows your metabolism.  
     
c) a Ring of Constitution <+3>
     Found lying on the floor at 650 feet (level 13)
     
     +3 constitution.
     Sustains constitution.
     
d) a Ring of Resist Poison
     Dropped by an Ogre at 1150 feet (level 23)
     
     Provides resistance to poison gas.
     
e) an Amulet of Regeneration
     Dropped by an Ancient red dragon at 1700 feet (level 34)
     
     Speeds regeneration.  
     
f) the Phial of Galadriel <+3>
     Dropped by Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief at 1300 feet (level 26)
     
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     Radius 3 light.
     
     When activated, it lights up the surrounding area, hurting
     light-sensitive creatures.
     Takes 22 to 40 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.5%
     
g) a Robe of Permanence [2,+22]
     Dropped by Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain at 1600 feet (level 32)
     
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, frost, nether.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Sustains strength, intelligence, wisdom, dexterity, constitution.
     Sustains your life force.  
     
h) an Elven Cloak of Protection [6,+11] <+1>
     Dropped by a Young red dragon at 2000 feet (level 40)
     
     +1 stealth.
     +1 speed.
     Provides resistance to shards.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     
i) a Large Metal Shield of Resistance [12,+15]
     Bought from a store
     
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, frost.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
j) the Iron Helm 'Holhenneth' [7,+10] <+2> (charging)
     Dropped by Shagrat, the Orc Captain at 1500 feet (level 30)
     
     +2 intelligence.
     +2 wisdom.
     +2 searching skill.
     Provides protection from blindness, confusion.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     When activated, it detects treasure, traps, doors, stairs, and all
     creatures nearby.
     Takes 112 to 220 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 92.8%
     
k) the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim' (+5,+5) [1,+10] <+1>
     Dropped by a Forest wight at 1550 feet (level 31)
     
     Provides resistance to light.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Sustains constitution.
     Prevents paralysis.  
     Radius 1 light.
     
     When activated, it fires a magic missile with damage 3d4.
     Takes 4 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.0%
     
l) a Pair of Iron Shod Boots of Speed [4,+11] <+8>
     Dropped by Rogrog the Black Troll at 2400 feet (level 48)
     
     +8 speed.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     




  [Character Inventory]

a) a Holy Book of Prayers [Beginners Handbook]
b) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Words of Wisdom]
c) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Chants and Blessings]
d) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Exorcism and Dispelling]
e) a Holy Book of Prayers [Ethereal Openings]
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     
f) a Holy Book of Prayers [Holy Infusions]
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     
g) 21 Potions of Cure Critical Wounds
h) a Potion of *Healing*
     It can be thrown at creatures with damaging effect.
     
i) 2 Potions of Enlightenment
j) 40 Scrolls of Phase Door
k) a Scroll of Teleportation
l) a Scroll of Banishment
m) 6 Scrolls of Satisfy Hunger
n) 5 Scrolls of Identify
o) 3 Rods of Teleport Other
p) a Rod of Recall
     Cannot be harmed by lightning.
     
q) 2 Staves of Teleportation (11 charges)
r) 3 Rings of Escaping <+4>
     +4 speed.
     Makes you afraid of melee, and worse at shooting and casting
     spells.  
     
s) a Pair of Iron Shod Boots of Stability [4,+7]
     Dropped by a Ghoul at 2500 feet (level 50)
     
     Provides resistance to nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     Feather Falling.  
     
t) the Halberd 'Osondir' (3d5) (+15,+10) <+3>
     Dropped by Draebor, the Imp at 1500 feet (level 30)
     
     +3 strength.
     +3 wisdom.
     Slays undead, giants.
     Branded with fire.
     Provides resistance to fire, sound.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Blessed by the gods.  Feather Falling.  Grants the ability to see
     invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     3.7 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 4.0 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 4.1 blows
     Average damage/round: 128.3 vs. creatures not resistant to fire,
     128.3 vs. undead, 128.3 vs. giants, and 56.9 vs. others.
     




  [Character Quiver]

0) 4 Arrows (1d4) (+1,+0)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 106.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
1) 40 Arrows (1d4) (+0,+0)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 106.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
2) 30 Arrows (1d4) (+0,+0)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 106.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
3) 2 Arrows (1d4) (+6,+1)
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 113.2.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     
4) an Arrow of Slay Giant (1d4) (+4,+6)
     Slays giants.
     
     Combat info:
     Hits targets up to 120 feet away.
     Average damage/round: 284.8 vs. giants, and 142.4 vs. others.
     35% chance of breaking upon contact.
     


  [Home Inventory]

a) 2 Holy Books of Prayers [Ethereal Openings]
     Cannot be harmed by fire.
     
b) a Ring of Dexterity <+2>
     Dropped by a Kobold shaman at 600 feet (level 12)
     
     +2 dexterity.
     Sustains dexterity.
     
c) an Amulet of Wisdom <+2>
     Found lying on the floor of a cavern at 1350 feet (level 27)
     
     +2 wisdom.
     Sustains wisdom.
     
d) Soft Leather Armour of Elvenkind [8,+17] <+2>
     Found lying on the floor of a special room at 2050 feet (level 41)
     
     +2 stealth.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, frost, nexus.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     
e) a Fur Cloak of Stealth [3,+6] <+3>
     Dropped by an Easterling champion at 1650 feet (level 33)
     
     +3 stealth.
     
f) a Leather Shield of Resistance [8,+12]
     Found lying on the floor at 1700 feet (level 34)
     
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, frost.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
g) a Set of Leather Gloves of Power (+4,+2) [1,-1] <+3>
     Bought from a store
     
     +3 strength.
     
h) a Set of Caestus of Slaying (+5,+8) [5,+4]
     Found lying on the floor at 1400 feet (level 28)
     
i) the Dagger 'Narthanc' (2d4) (+9,+12) [+10]
     Dropped by Bolg, Son of Azog at 1200 feet (level 24)
     
     Branded with fire.
     Provides resistance to fire.
     Cannot be harmed by acid.
     
     When activated, it creates a fire bolt with damage 9d8.
     Takes 18 to 32 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 94.9%
     
     Combat info:
     5.0 blows/round.
     Average damage/round: 97.5 vs. creatures not resistant to fire,
     and 46.5 vs. others.
     
j) the Beaked Axe of H√∫rin (3d6) (+12,+15) <+2, +1>
     Dropped by N&#183;r, the Dwarf at 2250 feet (level 45)
     
     +2 strength.
     +2 constitution.
     Slays demons (powerfully), trolls, dragons.
     Branded with acid.
     Provides resistance to acid, fire, dark.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Radius 1 light.
     
     When activated, it puts you in a berserker rage for d50+50 turns.
     Takes 162 to 320 turns to recharge at your current speed.
     Your chance of success is 92.8%
     
     Combat info:
     3.5 blows/round.
     With +3 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.7 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 4.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 158.1 vs. creatures not resistant to acid,
     239.1 vs. demons, 158.1 vs. trolls, 158.1 vs. dragons, and 77.4
     vs. others.
     
k) the Battle Axe of Balli Stonehand (3d8) (+8,+11) [+5] <+3, +1>
     Found lying on the floor in a vault at 1950 feet (level 39)
     
     +3 strength.
     +3 constitution.
     +1 stealth.
     Slays orcs, trolls, demons.
     Provides resistance to acid, lightning, fire, frost.
     Provides protection from blindness.
     Cannot be harmed by acid, fire.
     Feather Falling.  Speeds regeneration.  Prevents paralysis. 
     Grants the ability to see invisible things.  
     
     Combat info:
     3.5 blows/round.
     With +1 STR and +0 DEX you would get 3.7 blows
     With +0 STR and +1 DEX you would get 4.0 blows
     Average damage/round: 179.2 vs. orcs, 179.2 vs. trolls, 179.2 vs.
     demons, and 76 vs. others.
     


[Player history]
      Turn   Depth  Note
         0      0'  Began the quest to destroy Morgoth.
       425     50'  Reached level 2
      1684     50'  Reached level 3
      2910    100'  Reached level 4
      3127    100'  Killed Grip, Farmer Maggot's dog
      3597    100'  Reached level 5
      3938    100'  Reached level 6
      5018    150'  Reached level 7
      5296    150'  Killed Fang, Farmer Maggot's dog
      8092    200'  Reached level 8
     11294    250'  Reached level 9
     12631      0'  Killed Farmer Maggot
     12993    550'  Reached level 10
     14181    550'  Reached level 11
     16180    550'  Reached level 12
     17038    550'  Reached level 13
     17272    550'  Killed Grishn√°kh, the Hill Orc
     19025    600'  Reached level 14
     20071    600'  Reached level 15
     20704    600'  Killed Brodda, the Easterling
     20710    600'  Found the Dagger 'Nimthanc' (LOST)
     21326    600'  Reached level 16
     22820    600'  Killed Wormtongue, Agent of Saruman
     24460    650'  Reached level 17
     25886    650'  Killed Mughash the Kobold Lord
     25999    650'  Killed Orfax, Son of Boldor
     26673    700'  Reached level 18
     30043   1000'  Reached level 19
     30837   1000'  Reached level 20
     32263   1050'  Reached level 21
     32296   1050'  Killed Lugdush, the Uruk
     32693   1050'  Reached level 22
     33318   1050'  Killed Bullroarer the Hobbit
     34782   1100'  Reached level 23
     34941   1100'  Killed Ufthak of Cirith Ungol
     36806   1150'  Reached level 24
     39395   1200'  Reached level 25
     39756   1200'  Killed Bolg, Son of Azog
     39776   1200'  Found the Dagger 'Narthanc'
     43399   1250'  Reached level 26
     43600   1250'  Killed Ugl√∫k, the Uruk
     44112   1250'  Killed Ulfast, Son of Ulfang
     44699   1300'  Killed Golfimbul, the Hill Orc Chief
     44709   1300'  Found the Phial of Galadriel
     45072   1300'  Killed Kh√&#198;m, Son of M√&#198;m
     46624   1300'  Reached level 26
     48925   1400'  Found the Set of Gauntlets 'Paurhach' (LOST)
     50811   1450'  Killed Azog, King of the Uruk-Hai
     50811   1450'  Reached level 27
     51392   1450'  Killed Beorn, the Shape-Changer
     52218   1500'  Killed Lagduf, the Snaga
     52407   1500'  Killed Shagrat, the Orc Captain
     52409   1500'  Found the Iron Helm 'Holhenneth'
     53062   1500'  Killed Draebor, the Imp
     53064   1500'  Found the Halberd 'Osondir'
     53428   1550'  Found the Set of Leather Gloves 'Cammithrim'
     54799   1550'  Reached level 28
     57650   1600'  Killed Lokkak, the Ogre Chieftain
     58036   1600'  Killed Sangahyando of Umbar
     58315   1600'  Found the Short Bow of Amras
     58344   1600'  Killed Angamaitë of Umbar
     58694   1650'  Killed Gorbag, the Orc Captain
     58972   1650'  Killed Ulwarth, Son of Ulfang
     59426   1700'  Killed The Queen Ant
     59426   1700'  Reached level 29
     66482   1800'  Reached level 30
     69283   1850'  Killed Ibun, Son of M√&#198;m
     70531   1900'  Killed M√&#198;m, Betrayer of Turin
     70533   1900'  Found the Battle Axe 'Lotharang'
     71828   1900'  Reached level 31
     72493   1900'  Reached level 32
     74573   1950'  Killed Boldor, King of the Yeeks
     74873   1950'  Found the Battle Axe of Balli Stonehand
     76712   2000'  Reached level 33
     81735   2000'  Reached level 34
     89903   2150'  Killed Tom the Stone Troll
     90018   2150'  Killed Bill the Stone Troll
     90044   2150'  Killed Bert the Stone Troll
     90044   2150'  Reached level 35
     90245   2150'  Reached level 35
     94804   2250'  Killed Uldor the Accursed
     95049   2250'  Killed Akhorahil the Blind
     95873   2250'  Killed N√°r, the Dwarf
     95875   2250'  Found the Beaked Axe of H√∫rin
     98388   2250'  Killed Vargo, Tyrant of Fire
     99589   2300'  Killed Gorlim, Betrayer of Barahir
     99651   2300'  Reached level 36
    102547   2400'  Killed Rogrog the Black Troll
    103715   2450'  Killed Medusa, the Gorgon
    103937   2450'  Found the Morning Star 'Firestar' (LOST)
    105284   2450'  Killed Quaker, Master of Earth

[Carnivean]

Dead - adds Master Mystic to the creatures to be fearful of

Mystics can stun, which is a great way to watch your character get pounded, helpless to do anything. Be careful with your status and use CCW to clear any effects. Pstun renders them mostly harmless, but they also summon hounds amongst others. Also be aware because Masters aren't the top of that particular tree.

[Nick]

You can make your dump read better on the forum by putting CODE tags around it (use the # button). Or you can post it to the ladder using the tab at the top.

[Bimbul]

Mystics can stun, which is a great way to watch your character get pounded, helpless to do anything. Be careful with your status and use CCW to clear any effects. Pstun renders them mostly harmless, but they also summon hounds amongst others. Also be aware because Masters aren't the top of that particular tree.

Yeah that was the problem, I tried to teleport him away twice in a row it failed and ... yeah... playing too quickly, didn't pay attention to the stun and hence the failure rate of my rods of teleport other.

That's 3 times in a row I've died in possession of scroll of banishment

Cheers for the tip on forum coding - will edit.

[edit] I see you've done it for me - thanks!

[Bimbul]

Got myself another good'un going

Half elf rogue now at DL52 CL 36 with nearly 400 HP - most resistances gained except (frustratingly) nether although not all at the same time. Dex is maxed (I guess - potions no longer increase beyond 18/200) and strength is near that. Nether missing has not been a problem so far, have survived several attacks so far but remain wary - took out a Dreadmaster still though.

Have definitely learned to gtfo from battles I can't win and to take care not to keep pressing buttons when a big HP drop happens. At this depth it starts to become deadly at nearly every try, am running a lot or using my teleport other wands judiciously. If it's worth 50,000 XP it's obviously too tough - especially when it's named Ar Pharazon the Golden or Saruman of many colours. Just doing a level with them two plus Uvatha the horseman - killed the latter and got a ring of speed +9 - with the armour Thakettolth I'm now +12 speed - could be +15 if I go home and retrieve Sting but I'm not fire or cold resistant then (I have spells for these but not enough Mana yet). The other two uniques are lurking - were asleep before I teleported them - but I'll leave them be - just search the vaults I found them in. +9 Speed ring was a big prize this level.

Seen so many artifacts I could have filled my home but most are clearly useless at this stage of the game - really need something with cold/fire resistance in my armour so I can use Sting again - that's a good weapon and has speeeeeed. Getting Thalkettolth ended that as I then ditched my armour of Elvenkind- but the Battleaxe of Balli Stonehand suffices currently.

Right, loving this game, 3 days old now - once again I've failed to stfu - I fully expect to die in moments now I've blabbed.



PS Is it me or should the small shield of Thorin not be wooden - he was Oakenshield FFS? (yes I'm a Tolkien nerd - sorry) I saw a thread elsewhere where someone was moaning about Sauron dropping Narya and someone pointed out that a certain scruffy hobbit should drop the One ring - it's OK though as I've had scruffy hobbits drop the Sling of Power - well saved

[bio_hazard]

If your stat says *** it means with all the bonuses you are at 18/220. No additions of extra stat from potions or gear will make any difference.

If the stat says e.g. DEX:! (with the exclamation point ! following the stat), it means you have maxed your internal stat, and there's no point in drinking more potions for that stat. If you are below 18/220, you can still improve with gear, but not with potions.

[Bimbul]

Ah now then - just found the Scythe 'Avavir' with fire/frost resistance and +3 speed - happy days - +15 speed it is.

[Bimbul]

If your stat says *** it means with all the bonuses you are at 18/220. No additions of extra stat from potions or gear will make any difference.

If the stat says e.g. DEX:! (with the exclamation point ! following the stat), it means you have maxed your internal stat, and there's no point in drinking more potions for that stat. If you are below 18/220, you can still improve with gear, but not with potions.

Thanks, I suspected as much, I've seen 18/*** in other posts. That's why I was cautious.

[Nick]

Is it me or should the small shield of Thorin not be wooden - he was Oakenshield FFS?

Well, his first shield broke at the battle of Azanulbizar, and he used a branch instead - I'm guessing after the battle his Dad bought him a shiny new one

[Bimbul]

Indeed

Well I survived the bragging moment. Down to lvl 57 now - skipped 56 as it had about 100,000 nether hounds in it. Without nether resistance, I think not.

It's a bit annoying having to skip out some battles. I tried taking Shelob on, until she incanted terribly and I was knocked down to 38 HP - bit risky as I'm out of teleport scrolls but teleport other saved me. Must find more teleport scrolls. I used to have teleport level scrolls but they seem to have mysteriously vanished... guess those 9 and 11 headed hydras are likely to blame - I certainly haven't read any.

Anyway, onwards and downwards... tomorrow...

[Bimbul]

Well this is now going very swimmingly, down to DL65 now and at +34 speed - insane! Still missing nether resistance but everything else is awesome - have taken down Ar Pharazon the Golden, Eol the dark elf (he was a pussy), Scatha the Worm, at least four of the Nazgul... - still don't fancy taking on a vault with multiple 11-headed Hydras though. 585 HP now.

If all the useful stuff is DL 75 or lower then it must be truly awesome. Hopefully I'll get to see this time.

Not really scared of much now, cracked it (to a point at least) this game

[Bogatyr]

Not really scared of much now, cracked it (to a point at least) this game

Luke: "I'm not afraid!"
Yoda: "You will be, you will be...."

[Bimbul]

Ha ha. Yeah still a few monsters I have trouble with - Osse, Arien, Ungoliant, the Mouth of Sauron - the Jabberwock was indeed an interesting foe - I let it go.

Saruman is toast though as is the Balrog of Moria plus quite a lot of Great Wyrms of various kinds - nearing DL 80 now - couple of scrolls of deep descent seemed reasonable.

Currently liking the Great Axe of Eonwe (accents? meh ) and the heavy crossbow of Umbar is stored at home for endgame purposes - not liking its aggravation thing but I guess that won't matter later.

Have nether resist *at last* though speed is down to a mere 28 as a result. 760 HP now helps a lot.

This is surely an endgame character if I'm not stupid though, shame I have no idea what to do in the endgame - except kill the baddies obv

Having fun anyway

[Bimbul]

Another quirk I find amusing - I just found The Whip of Gothmog.

THE Whip of Gothmog.

Now since I've seen him, and I don't recall killing him - has he gone senile over the years and gone and put it down somewhere and forgotten it...?

Maybe I'll find his glasses lying around too...