4.0.1 Bugs

[fph]

Quiver Bug: When using roguelike keys (my pref - macbook has no corner arrows - and I've always played this way), inscribing ammo with @v1 does not move it to slot 1 as you suggested earlier in the thread. It remains in it's current slot, and when I type "v1" the arrow that occupies slot 1 is fired, not the one inscribed @v1. However, if I inscribe it @v9, and it's in slot 2, then either "v2" or "v9" work.

This is a known issue with the roguelike keyset: when you use inscriptions, you still need to specify commands in the original keyset, not in the roguelike one. So use @f1 for arrows, not @v1. And !d!k@m1@G1@b1 for books.

[Nivra]

All bugs reported in this thread are now fixed in the latest dev version, except:

• Sound issues - if people who use sounds could report either working as expected, or if not how not, that would be helpful
• Crash bugs still not identified. There was definitely one crash on hitting a trap, which is possibly summoning related, but I'm really clueless. Any info on crashes gratefully received.

I am hoping to get 4.0.2 out fairly soon.

Using Sounds. Greatly enjoying it. Sometimes get a random loud Gong like sound. Have no idea what it is. Also, the Music is just weird and kicks in randomly. Not sure I like that as much. I second the proposal for a level feeling sound (The Gong would work perfectly). Would be super appreciated.

I am running OS X Yosemite, and I get random crashes, too. They are definitely repeatable. I've loaded the same save file, done the exact same actions, and the crash repeats. Yes, at least some of them have seem trap related. Otoh, I have also reloaded the save done a separate sequence of actions, and no crash for the exact same area/tile in the map. At least one of the crashes happened after a sub-window movement or resize.

Tileset Bug: When using classic tile set, after detecting treasure/objects, the * symbols will leave little trails across the map when moving (I use center on player).

Quiver Bug: When using roguelike keys (my pref - macbook has no corner arrows - and I've always played this way), inscribing ammo with @v1 does not move it to slot 1 as you suggested earlier in the thread. It remains in it's current slot, and when I type "v1" the arrow that occupies slot 1 is fired, not the one inscribed @v1. However, if I inscribe it @v9, and it's in slot 2, then either "v2" or "v9" work.

Alter Bug: Alter doesn't seem to be working except for tunneling. I've tried both [Ctrl]-[direction] and +[direction]. All it seems to do is "spin me around." I have to open chests and close doors using 'o' and 'c'.

Quiver Thoughts: Firstly, love Nomad's re-ordering suggestion. Especially with implementation of [tab] firing to use up the cheapest stacks first. Overall, I like the new quiver, but I have a few suggestions. (1) The "|" key is really out of place. "e" and "i" are easily accessible, but "|" is just inconvenient. It's used so often, that a keypress without moving the hands and or a modifier would be much preferred. Keeping arrow stacks @ 40 is important. I'd really like to see an interface that helps this. For instance, if I have 60 arrows, and two stacks of 30 arrows each. When I drop stack 2, maybe it could prompt me for how many and possibly have * for all, or & for the # to drop back to 40 arrows, in this case & would drop 20 arrows, giving me a stack of 30 and a stack of 10. Likewise, an option when I get arrows to prompt for just enough to complete my current 1 quiver inventory would be appreciated, too. Especially, when I want just 10 arrows out of a stack of 30 on the ground with my inventory full, I can't just pick up 10. Pressing "g" gives me the "No room in inventory." message. So I have to drop another stack >20 (or multiple stacks), pick up these arrows, then drop 20 separately, then go back and pick up the first stack.

Thoughts on "Use Old Target": I used to play with this, and I started off playing with this, but there have been multiple instances this game where it hasn't targetted like I expected, so I turned it off, and now I'm using new targetting each time, and it's slightly annoying too but at least I don't target incorrectly. I'll turn use old target back on and see if I can figure out when the unexpected targetting is happening.

Feature Request: "R&" works to rest for word of recall, but it doesn't rest until an activation cooldown alert. Sometimes I need to rest until a cooldown is up, and would appreciate an easy way to do this rather than examining item, figureing out it's expected cooldown, and doing increments until I get there (since some time has passed already).

Max OS X Feature Request: Command-1, Command-2, ... Command-7 get mapped to the terminal sub-windows.

[Update: Additional Feature Request: If you fill your current lantern with a lantern on the ground, then auto-squelch or just plain destroy the empty lantern. Is there any significant use for a Lantern that's just been used to refill your current lantern? If it was better you would have equipped it and discarded your current one.]

[Update 2: Another additional Feature Request: Being able to save whole sets of equipment, so I can press one keymap and switch out multiple peaces of gear. That would be uber convenient.]

[Nick]

The last couple of games, I have on purpose tried to recreate this bug by trying to remember where I was and step on the exact same spot, only to have it crash again. I haven´t been able to confirm that this was what happened the other times, but it is likely that every other time this has happened, I was doing nothing but moving to a new tile (as opposed to being in combat etc.)

If you get a case where you have a reproducible crash, a savefile plus instructions on how to crash it would be really useful. It may be a particular type of monster doing it, or some interaction between the monster and the dungeon, or some third thing.

[Carnivean]

Those crash bugs sound like a single type of new monster generation (via summoning trap, random generation over time) is causing it. The brute force method to track that would be to log every monster created after level generation and sort to see which doesn't appear.

[hein]

All bugs reported in this thread are now fixed in the latest dev version, except:

• Crash bugs still not identified. There was definitely one crash on hitting a trap, which is possibly summoning related, but I'm really clueless. Any info on crashes gratefully received.

Was about to tell you about the crash bugs.

The game crashes repeatedly a few times every game without any warning. The good thing about this is when you restart the game, the same level is generated, also with the same pre-generated monster drops, appearantly.

This last time, it was definitely summoning trap related. A summoning trap was three steps away from the down stairs, and it crashed the first two times I stepped on it, before it behaved as normal again.

The last couple of games, I have on purpose tried to recreate this bug by trying to remember where I was and step on the exact same spot, only to have it crash again. I haven´t been able to confirm that this was what happened the other times, but it is likely that every other time this has happened, I was doing nothing but moving to a new tile (as opposed to being in combat etc.)

[Nick]

All bugs reported in this thread are now fixed in the latest dev version, except:

• Sound issues - if people who use sounds could report either working as expected, or if not how not, that would be helpful
• Crash bugs still not identified. There was definitely one crash on hitting a trap, which is possibly summoning related, but I'm really clueless. Any info on crashes gratefully received.

I am hoping to get 4.0.2 out fairly soon.

[Ingwe Ingweron]

IIRC, the command for quiver is still '.' unless it was changed recently.

It was changed to '|' in the equip/inventory/quiver menu cycle (along with being able to use arrow keys to move through the menu cycle) and was also changed on the keyboard access from '.' to '|' in order to be consistent.

[tumbleweed]

Story of my life. I should set up shop myself and drive that square out of business

Did it work with the general store for you, or with one of the others?

Heh. Looks like I managed to miss a couple of your posts.

So: yesterday I started a new character specifically for testing this issue. I walked over to the weaponsmith, bought a bolt, tested several ways to sell it ('|' straight from the shop window, or 's' '|', or 's' and then arrow keys) to access the quiver via '|' to sell it. That worked as expected.

Just now after reading that post of yours, I loaded the same game, made my way to the general store, and tried to sell the same bolt (which I ended up keeping) again via '|'. That worked as well.

This is where things took a turn for the weird.

I went here to post about my findings, but before submitting my reply I decided to test flipping through my possessions with the left/right arrow keys in the general store as well, and somehow I now can't sell ammunition to the general store any more either. What the... have I been dreaming the part before?

[PowerWyrm]

IIRC, the command for quiver is still '.' unless it was changed recently.

[Iolanthe]

I think that's overstating it a little - in particular, pretty much all the changes you're seeing have been made by other people. I've just been making a lot of noise

Pass the praise along, then

I'm having lots of fun for almost 30 years (Damn, you made me admit it!), so whoever did anything to the code and the variants I played has my full appreciation and a warm space in my heart.

[Nick]

When I noticed that Nick McConnell had taken over and resuscitated the game

I think that's overstating it a little - in particular, pretty much all the changes you're seeing have been made by other people. I've just been making a lot of noise

[Iolanthe]

I don't think the general store buys anything, period. It's just an infinite supply of certain basic goods.

He does buy some things, oil, torches, all kinds of food. It's only my ammunition he doesn't like.

[Derakon]

I don't think the general store buys anything, period. It's just an infinite supply of certain basic goods.

[Iolanthe]

Works fine for me on a new character with selling enabled. Looks like the shop owner doesn't like your face after all.

Windows, German keyboard layout, English locale though.

Story of my life. I should set up shop myself and drive that square out of business

Did it work with the general store for you, or with one of the others?

[tumbleweed]

When I go to a shop, I can't sell any ammunition. I usually hit "s", but when I hit "|", the selling menu is closed and I find myself staring stupidly at the shop owner. Hitting "s" and then moving by arrow through the sub-menus, I cycle from inventory to equipped and back, never going past the quiver.

What am I doing wrong? Or is it just that the shop owner doesn't like my face?

System: Windows, German localisation (thus "|" is "strg-alt-<"), Vanilla Angband 4.0.1

Works fine for me on a new character with selling enabled. Looks like the shop owner doesn't like your face after all.

Windows, German keyboard layout, English locale though.