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No it is not. I can win every game I play. The difference between me and you is obviously that you take risks, while I don't. Angband is numbers game, even a slight chance, when repeated often enough, will kill you. If action has even a slight chance of getting you killed, I don't take that.
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If TO isn't in arsenal and you want to clear a vault without risk, use destruction. Earthquake. There are other ways to clear vaults than just TO. You don't even have to be in LoS of any of the denizens into that vault.
Note: Can be done doesn't mean should be done. Usually if it looks like it will be too much hassle; just leave.Comment
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I like to think I can, too, but yes I do take risks sometimes, and so I die sometimes. But winning the game wasn't the claim, the claim was that you can *clear* *any* *vault* with *0% risk*, with no further disclaimer other than "proper play." And I'm really truly interested if I'm missing some key game mechanic knowledge, or if your "proper play" includes simple, obvious things like "having more hitpoints than any single possible attack", "more speed than any monster," "enough healing to recover from any single attack," and "skipping vaults where these conditions do not hold". You didn't say "clearing any vault that I *choose* to," but "any" vault.
Case in point, in this vault fragment:
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where any/all of the monsters behind that wall have insta-death attacks against you. No crushing monsters like Horned Reapers can touch them because they're behind walls. *Destruct* destroys objects and so can't be considered to be "clearing" the vault. Banish doesn't work if they're uniques. You can't open the wall without ending up in LOS of everything behind it because of the permanent wall. It may be in the center of a vault so Earthquake may not be available because you may not be able to reach the right place, and even if so Earthquake can destroy valuable objects so doesn't fall into "clearing" the vault.
Even if there is a way to know if one monster will have a move on you after opening the wall (is there?), there are multiple monsters and so TO will take too long and one of them will get a chance for an insta death attack.Comment
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re: Bogatyr
If you run today, you can stand and fight another day *lol*.Blondes are more fun!Comment
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TO would help there either.
Earthquake outside of the vault so that the edge of the blast touches that wall.
There isn't any vaults like that though. CGV middle section comes close, but that can be dealt with earthquake since that's the only section of that vault that has it and you can clear rest of it without being in LoS of multiple monsters at once.
It's always possible, not always sensible though.Comment
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Correct, TO does not help there. It might for single monsters, but not 100% if the monster is instadeath, if there's no way to judge if the monster gets its move immediately after clearing the wall. There is a very large vault version with long horizontal corridors where both ends may be "plugged" with multiple instadeath monsters. If you could get above it or below it earthquake might help, but earthquake could also destroy items. If we're allowing destruction of items in the definition of "clearing", once could just destruct the entire thing and pick up any remaining artifacts (I've tried this a few times and each time nothing remains, so I guess I was unlucky).
In any case, that is less than "clearing," which for me means getting every single item in the fault. If the goal is reduced from "clearing" to selective "picking", sacrificing some items to make some areas accessible, then I come close to a agreeing that it is always possible with 0% risk given enough time and effort, but that again wasn't the initial claim.Last edited by Bogatyr; February 6, 2015, 14:49.Comment
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I think 3.4.1 changed that so that even artifacts get removed by destruction. If you play with preserve off and didn't ID it as artifact then those can be created again like if you just missed them in preserve on. If you ID it as artifact and then destroy the artifact gets lost.
I'm not sure how Earthquake deals with artifacts. It can "delete" uniques without actually killing them, so it is possible that same applies to artifacts just like with destruction.
That change was made for making vault clearing less easy. My vote for vaults is opposite to that: make them invulnerable to destruction and earthquake. A bit like what happens in town if you cast destruction there.Comment
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That'd be pretty easy to playtest. Just open up monster.txt and manually add GIANT to the flags of the monsters you want to turn into giants. There's a little bit of display weirdness in that monster memory will only display one type in the case of monsters that have multiple types but slays still work properly.
You could defensibly add it to all those giant animals and vermin that populate the early dungeon. They are giant after all.Comment
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Yeah, IIRC all flags are not equal - the display code assumes some things don't occur together, like dragon and giant.One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.Comment
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I just "almost cleared" (all but one cell) a GCV before stat gain complete (INT max but very low con and on a clev-mid-30s gnome mage that means insta-death around every corner < 200 HP). Arien was exactly in the middle of the vault so opening the wall would mean I'd be in LOS, so I couldn't. I went out and cleared up to Arien from the other side, took a staff of earthquakes and tried to knock him (her? it?) loose, but no dice, the earthquakes never touched either of the walls holding him in. Once I'd gotten everything I wanted out, I tried a destruct, too, but still no, didn't touch his blocking walls. Are internal vault non-permanent walls marked specially?Last edited by Bogatyr; February 8, 2015, 20:24.Comment
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