I was one shotted by Kavlax. What just happened?

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  • Amnekian
    Apprentice
    • May 2013
    • 65

    I was one shotted by Kavlax. What just happened?

    I had full HP and went straight to -93HP in one attack.

    I hate not knowing what happened.

    What just happened?
  • Magnate
    Angband Devteam member
    • May 2007
    • 5110

    #2
    Originally posted by Amnekian
    I had full HP and went straight to -93HP in one attack.

    I hate not knowing what happened.

    What just happened?
    Show us your dump - how much was full hp, and what resists did you have covered? Kavlax has a large number of different breaths, some of which can do several hundred hp unresisted, and others do a few hundred hp unresistable. So if you had <300hp you were toast in most cases; if you had more than that he probably hit a resistance hole.
    "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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    • Amnekian
      Apprentice
      • May 2013
      • 65

      #3
      How can I get the character dump?

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      • Magnate
        Angband Devteam member
        • May 2007
        • 5110

        #4
        Originally posted by Amnekian
        How can I get the character dump?
        shift-c, f, then click on the Ladder tab on this site and upload it.

        EDIT: having said that, if you exited the game after dying, I don't think you can get a dump of that dead character now. Sorry.
        "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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        • Amnekian
          Apprentice
          • May 2013
          • 65

          #5
          So how do I know what monsters ditch these insane amounts of damage? Or should I back off from uniques around DL30 until I have a lot of resists?

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          • Nick
            Vanilla maintainer
            • Apr 2007
            • 9647

            #6
            Originally posted by Amnekian
            So how do I know what monsters ditch these insane amounts of damage?
            Well, now you know Kavlax does

            Originally posted by Amnekian
            Or should I back off from uniques around DL30 until I have a lot of resists?
            Anything new should be suspect. Breathing uniques can be expected to be deadly, especially if it's not clear from their description what they breathe. And remember, every new method of death gives you information and probably a good story.
            One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
            In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.

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            • fizzix
              Prophet
              • Aug 2009
              • 3025

              #7
              Kavlax is one of Angband's gotcha monsters. I'm not a big fan of gotcha monsters, but he's a big one. Other gotcha monsters are Ancient multi-hued dragons, drolems, Osse (although he's a lot tamer than Azriel), the Tarrasque and probably some more.

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              • Avenger
                Apprentice
                • Dec 2013
                • 97

                #8
                If you don't object to spoilers, check out the full monster list at http://mangband.org/Main/Info.

                This is, of course, not entirely applicable to other variants, but it still holds mostly true for close variants.

                To be absolutely sure, peek into r_info.txt in your edit folder. It's pseudo-code that the game uses to generate the monsters, but it's quite legible, at least enough to get a sense of how dangerous a monster will be to you.
                C(6.3) C Erirbag [Half-Ogre Cultist] L:39 DL:Collector's Cave 2 A+ R+ Sp w:The Long Sword of Karakal (2d5) (+9, +12) (+2)
                C(TN/Do) W H- D-- c-- f PV s- d+ P++ M?
                C S++ I+ So B- ac- GHB- SQ RQ V+ F:TomeNET Game Progression

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                • LostTemplar
                  Knight
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 670

                  #9
                  More or less any notable monster can one shot up to 600 hp resised and 1600 unresisted, so be carefull. So if you have less then 600 assume that any unfamiliar monster can one shot you. To avoid dumb reading of the monster list I would recommend looking at ladder dumps for dead characters, It is much more fun. E.g. if look thru 100 dumps of dead level < 30 character you will more or less figure all of possible deaths and some way to avoid these deaths form comments.

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                  • Derakon
                    Prophet
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 9022

                    #10
                    Another possibility if you don't mind the game calling you a "cheater" (the rest of us don't care, at least not about this particular option) is to turn on the cheat option that gives you full monster knowledge. Then whenever you see a new monster, you can call up the monster memory for them and see their full spell list including average damage (which, for breath attacks, is also max damage since there's no variance).

                    So you'd see Kavlax, bring up his monster memory, and it'd say he can breathe gravity for 250 damage or whatever. And you'd look at your HP total and think "Hm, I'm playing a gnome mage with 93 HP, I should avoid this guy."

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                    • LostTemplar
                      Knight
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 670

                      #11
                      option that gives you full monster knowledge.
                      Have you played like this ? I found it incredibly boring to 'l'ook at every monster, considering the fact that most of monsters are just not dangerous at all. Reading chilling tales about promising characters dead to Kavlax or drolem or teleport_into_the_undead_pit is more fun IMHO.

                      I judge from my own experience, when I first time started playing FAangband I played for about year until my first win, and reading ladder helped mostly.

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                      • Derakon
                        Prophet
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 9022

                        #12
                        Originally posted by LostTemplar
                        Have you played like this ? I found it incredibly boring to 'l'ook at every monster, considering the fact that most of monsters are just not dangerous at all. Reading chilling tales about promising characters dead to Kavlax or drolem or teleport_into_the_undead_pit is more fun IMHO.
                        Well, no, I don't, but I practically have the monster info memorized anyway, so I don't really need to. And sure, I agree that does sound like fun, but it may not be what everyone wants to do; some people just want to play the game without having to guess which monsters can one-hit-kill them.

                        In short, we both made valid suggestions, and it's up to the newbies to decide which, if either, they want to do.

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                        • debo
                          Veteran
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 2402

                          #13
                          There should be special message in the notes on first death to kavlax -- "Welcome to Angband"
                          Glaurung, Father of the Dragons says, 'You cannot avoid the ballyhack.'

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                          • Magnate
                            Angband Devteam member
                            • May 2007
                            • 5110

                            #14
                            Originally posted by debo
                            There should be special message in the notes on first death to kavlax -- "Welcome to Angband"
                            I really like that idea.
                            "Been away so long I hardly knew the place, gee it's good to be back home" - The Beatles

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                            • Amnekian
                              Apprentice
                              • May 2013
                              • 65

                              #15
                              Originally posted by debo
                              There should be special message in the notes on first death to kavlax -- "Welcome to Angband"

                              And now I take that death with great pride!

                              Also, thanks to you guys, I discovered the Ladder. I reeaaally should the dive in this.

                              Help me out what am I reading here:

                              Kavlax the Many-Headed
                              T:dragon
                              C
                              I:120:1300:20:102:30
                              W:39:3:0:3000

                              B:BITE:HURT:2d12
                              B:BITE:HURT:2d12
                              B:BITE:HURT:2d12
                              B:BITE:HURT:2d12
                              F:UNIQUE | MALE | POWERFUL
                              FROP_4 | DROP_GOOD | ONLY_ITEM
                              F:OPEN_DOOR | BASH_DOOR
                              F:IM_ACID | IM_COLD | IM_ELEC | IM_FIRE | RES_NEXUS | NO_CONF
                              F:NO_SLEEP
                              S:1_IN_4
                              S:BR_ACID | BR_COLD | BR_CHAO | BR_ELEC | BR_FIRE | BR_GRAV
                              S:BR_NEXU | BR_SHAR | BR_SOUN
                              D:A large dragon with a selection of heads, all shouting and arguing as they
                              D: look for prey, but each with its own deadly breath weapon.

                              Also, none of this indicates its breath damage.
                              Last edited by Amnekian; December 27, 2013, 00:55.

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