tiles by default

[Derakon]

Despite what you might like to think, dos350 is, by this point, clearly not a new player any more.

[Shockbolt]

Originally Posted by PowerWyrm
It's already the case for 3.4 (Shockbolt tiles are the default).

Unfortunately. Fortunately changing back to ascii isn't too hard.

Thanks Timo

Good thing this game come with options, either way I guess some people are bound to shed some tears.

[Shockbolt]

This would be nice, but it's a lot of work. Anyone want to do it?

As far as tiles as default, as someone who does not play with tiles, I don't care. The decision is made with regard to new players, not already established players. My personal opinion on this is kind of useless. That being said, I don't know what the right answer is, the new player contingent is very hard to get opinions from!

I agree with that, new players of today, I like to think most of them, would not even bother giving ascii a try. Keep in mind, they are being brought up with lifelike 3D action fps games and vibrant 2D games..the chance for the average teenager starting to play any roguelike using ascii, is pretty slim..

[Knight]

I agree with that, new players of today, I like to think most of them, would not even bother giving ascii a try. Keep in mind, they are being brought up with lifelike 3D action fps games and vibrant 2D games..the chance for the average teenager starting to play any roguelike using ascii, is pretty slim..

I dunno about that. I mean, I started playing Angband a few years ago, when I was probably 14. And with the new tiles (even not as a default) I was recently able to get a younger brother of mine who was thirteen at the time to start up a few games.

[Shockbolt]

I dunno about that. I mean, I started playing Angband a few years ago, when I was probably 14. And with the new tiles (even not as a default) I was recently able to get a younger brother of mine who was thirteen at the time to start up a few games.

So by tiles, you mean either of the graphical tilesets available for Angband? That's what I meant, graphics makes it more pleasing to the eye, and I think it attracts more new players than ascii does.

[Knight]

So by tiles, you mean either of the graphical tilesets available for Angband? That's what I meant, graphics makes it more pleasing to the eye, and I think it attracts more new players than ascii does.

Yep. And for the record, I agree. Until the player really gets into the idea that playing a roguelike is more like reading a book or playing chess than an action shooter like the Halo games, the graphics will be more appealing.

As an aside, I love your tileset for Angband. Really gorgeous work.

[Shockbolt]

@ Knight: Thanks. I created the tileset equally out of personal reasons as much as I wanted to give something back to the Angband community for the years of fun I've had playing Angband.

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I'm not out to defend my tileset or fight for it to be the default setting or not for Angband.

I totally understand that you hardcore players prefer using oldschool ascii over graphics and I respect that. But, someone took a choice, and it landed on having graphics as default instead of ascii. Deal with it is my advice. After all, what's 2-3 keystrokes of switching from my tileset over to ascii, compared to the thousands of keystrokes you'll do later when playing Angband..

Putting the focus on something so terribly simple as two choices of display settings instead of focusing on the game itself, it just reminds me of children arguing over nothing.

No, I'm not mad, not sad, not provoked that some of you dislike graphics and/or dislike the fact that I made this tileset for Angband, nor am I drunk when I write this. And it was not meant as a rant, more like a neutral eye-opener. And it goes with the story that I just came back from watching Bourne Legacy, cool movie

[dos350]

if tiles were default when i first played , i highly doubt i would hav stuck 2 angband. after many hours of play i tried all the tiles that were available at the time and found them to be much worse to play with than the standard ascii

later i tried the 64x on v4 and i found them 2 b also atleast as bad as the other tiles compared 2 the ascii

im thinking many newcomers would hav negative experience playing with tiles compared 2 wat the should hav had on ascii

[Shockbolt]

if tiles were default when i first played , i highly doubt i would hav stuck 2 angband. after many hours of play i tried all the tiles that were available at the time and found them to be much worse to play with than the standard ascii

later i tried the 64x on v4 and i found them 2 b also atleast as bad as the other tiles compared 2 the ascii

im thinking many newcomers would hav negative experience playing with tiles compared 2 wat the should hav had on ascii

My conclusion is then that you and me represent both extreme ends of the ascii/graphics scale, judging from your poll options and your comments.

I can tell you that i have spent less than 5 minutes in ascii mode, and probably never would have kept playing angband back in the mid 90s and today, if it weren't for the tileset(s) available at that time. And that would've been a shame, cuz it's a damn great entertaining game

[nppangband]

@Shockbolt - I believe I am speaking for the overwhelming majority of the Angband community (both tile players and ascii players) when I say that the tileset you made is an amazing gift to the game that we all greatly appreciate.

I don't feed trolls, so I won't directly address the comments a couple posts above this one. But anyone who has actually viewed your artwork or appreciates Angband knows to dismiss comments like that one as pure nonsense.

[HallucinationMushroom]

I might have become a tiles player had they been as good as yours when I started playing. I'll always consider ascii to be the defining feature though, even in nethack where I actually do play tiles. I wish I had contributed something to Angband...ever. I've never even found a bug.

[Shockbolt]

@Shockbolt - I believe I am speaking for the overwhelming majority of the Angband community (both tile players and ascii players) when I say that the tileset you made is an amazing gift to the game that we all greatly appreciate.

I don't feed trolls, so I won't directly address the comments a couple posts above this one. But anyone who has actually viewed your artwork or appreciates Angband knows to dismiss comments like that one as pure nonsense.

Thanks. I ignore trolls, been around the internet far too long to be provoked by them.

But I just want to be clear, so I'm not mistaken for being upset/in rage/insert any other feeling about the fact that people like ascii over tiles: there's nothing I can do about that, and I could not care less if people doesn't like playing with graphics using any of the tilesets available. It's the "1st world problems", the way they're presented by this poll. I would have expected more mature polls/discussions.

Just be happy there still is an option to use ascii/various tiles, with the need of a keystroke or two to switch between them.

And I don't want to speculate into the full reason for the poll, it just reminded me of when we were kids and arguing about who's dad was the strongest, using every means we had for winning the discussion.

[nppangband]

@Shockbolt - I was wondering, is there a 32x32 version of your tiles? And, if so, would you allow me to use them in NPPAngband? For the NPP specific monsters/terrains/objects, I would have to mix in the other tileset drawn by Buzzkill and myself. They aren't nearly as good as yours, but I wish I could have your tiles in my game.

[Shockbolt]

@Shockbolt - I was wondering, is there a 32x32 version of your tiles? And, if so, would you allow me to use them in NPPAngband? For the NPP specific monsters/terrains/objects, I would have to mix in the other tileset drawn by Buzzkill and myself. They aren't nearly as good as yours, but I wish I could have your tiles in my game.

No problem, go ahead and use the tileset. The one I have is 64x64. I imagine it can be turned into 32x32 simply by downsizing the image 50%

[Nick]

I wish I had contributed something to Angband...ever. I've never even found a bug.

You're clearly not counting FAangband in that.